Linearly independent vs dependent functions

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of linear independence and dependence of functions, specifically examining a scenario involving coefficients of functions and their implications on linear dependence.

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  • Participants explore the implications of setting a coefficient to zero and question the completeness of the original explanation regarding linear dependence. There is a focus on the conditions under which functions are considered linearly dependent or independent.

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Participants are actively engaging with the definitions and implications of linear dependence, with some providing clarifications on the conditions for dependence. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the problem, particularly concerning the treatment of the coefficient values.

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There is mention of a specific case where a coefficient is set to zero, which raises questions about the assumptions made in the original problem statement. Participants are also discussing the notation used for sets of real numbers.

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Homework Statement
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For part(b),
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My solution is,
##(c_1, c_2, c_3, c_4) = (c_1, 5c_1, -c_1, -3c_1)##

They have taken the case that c_1 = -1, which gives their expression for a linear dependent function as they have shown. However, I'm confused that the functions are linearly dependent for any value of ##c_1 \in \mathbb{R}##. Since if we take ##c_1 = 0##, then ##c_1 = c_2 = c_3 = c_4 = 0##. I agree thought they the functions are linear dependent for ##c_1 \in \mathbb{R}\{0\} ## (Set of real numbers without zero)

Does someone please know why they did not include that case?

Thanks!
 
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ChiralSuperfields said:
Homework Statement: Please see below
Relevant Equations: Please see below

For part(b),
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My solution is,
##(c_1, c_2, c_3, c_4) = (c_1, 5c_1, -c_1, -3c_1)##

They have taken the case that c_1 = -1, which gives their expression for a linear dependent function as they have shown. However, I'm confused that the functions are linearly dependent for any value of ##c_1 \in \mathbb{R}##. Since if we take ##c_1 = 0##, then ##c_1 = c_2 = c_3 = c_4 = 0##. I agree thought they the functions are linear dependent for ##c_1 \in \mathbb{R}\{0\} ## (Set of real numbers without zero)

Does someone please know why they did not include that case?

Thanks!
Heya! From the definition of linear dependence, the functions
$$f_1,f_2,...,f_k$$ are linearly dependent if there exist scalars $$a_1,a_2,..,a_k,$$ not all zero, such that
$$a_1f_1+\cdots f_ka_k=0.$$
 
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ChiralSuperfields said:
They have taken the case that c_1 = -1, which gives their expression for a linear dependent function as they have shown. However, I'm confused that the functions are linearly dependent for any value of ##c_1 \in \mathbb{R}##. Since if we take ##c_1 = 0##, then ##c_1 = c_2 = c_3 = c_4 = 0##. I agree thought they the functions are linear dependent for ##c_1 \in \mathbb{R}\{0\} ## (Set of real numbers without zero)
That is not at all what they are saying. Being linearly dependent means that there is a non-zero solution to
$$
\sum_{i = 1}^4 c_i f_i(t) = 0
$$
and their solution has all ##c_i \neq 0##. It makes no sense to say that the functions are linearly independent for some particular values of ##c_i##. Being linearly independent just means that there exists a non-zero solution for which the above equation holds for all ##t \in \mathbb R## (not ##c_i \in \mathbb R##), which is what they are saying.

Edit: Note: The correct ##\LaTeX## for the set you are referring to (the reals apart from zero) is ##\mathbb R \setminus \{0\}##.
 
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If ##c1f_1+c_2f_2+ c_3 f_3+ c_4f4=0##, then ##-( c_1f_1+ c2f_2+ c_3f_3+c_4 f_4)=0##. Notice each of your terms is,the negative of those in the solution from the book.
 
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