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The discussion focuses on deriving a differential equation that relates the position of mass 'x' to hinge 'y' in a spring-mass-damper system. The user is confused about whether to replace 'x' with (x-y) in their equation, given that the force 'F' is applied at 'y'. They have successfully derived the relationship y = lsin(θ) and are considering the implications of small angles on their calculations. The goal is to minimize oscillations in the system while ensuring it remains nonlinear for simulation in Simulink. Clarification is sought on how to accurately measure and relate the positions of 'x' and 'y' for effective modeling.
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From this mechanical part (attached), I need to derive a differential equation relating mass 'x' position to hinge 'y' position.

\ddot{x}m + b\dot{x} + cx = F

The link l would be rotating. I am confused about considering the displacement of x with reference to y. Would this change the differential equation by replacing x with (x-y) ?

I derived an equation to relate 'y' with \theta ;

y = lsin(\theta)

Finally I also need to derive a differential equation from the previous two to relate the loading torque on the shaft for some rotation theta.

\tau = (\ddot{x}m + b\dot{x} + cx)lcos(\theta)

I would really appreciate if you can give me some hints on my work. thanks
 

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Is the servo "active" (it is being driven by a motor and the second mass is just a counter-balance?) ... the it is just providing the f(t) in the standard equations.
 
I need to investigate some tight control on an open loop modelling of a servo motor linked with a spring mass damper system.
The linkage with spring mass damper is stable with a counterbalance on the other side. The aim is to shift the mass (by the servo) of the s-m-d system and eliminate oscillations as much as possible. The servo is modeled as having a feedback loop with theta. I will also be implementing a PID loop in the servo controller but the spring-mass-damper is open loop.

I already derived the transfer functions and state space for the servo which is simply a DC motor with a 10:1 gearbox.

My main confusion right now are the equations in my previous post. I need these in order to simulate everything together in simulink. attached
 

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trojsi said:
From this mechanical part (attached), I need to derive a differential equation relating mass 'x' position to hinge 'y' position.

\ddot{x}m + b\dot{x} + cx = F

The link l would be rotating. I am confused about considering the displacement of x with reference to y. Would this change the differential equation by replacing x with (x-y) ?
The F in the above relation is being applied at y - y moving up and down is what is generating it.
I derived an equation to relate 'y' with \theta ;

y = l\sin(\theta)
If ##\theta## is expected to be small enough that you can discount lateral movement then ##\sin(\theta)\approx \theta##
considering the idea is to minimize oscillations, that seems reasonable.

measure x from some equilibrium/rest position and y likewise ... then you'll see better how they interact.
 
Simon Bridge said:
If ##\theta## is expected to be small enough that you can discount lateral movement then ##\sin(\theta)\approx \theta##
considering the idea is to minimize oscillations, that seems reasonable.

I cannot assume this. The system has to remain non linear that is why it will be simulated via simulink. Dont worry, I will not be working any calc with a non linear system.
Simon Bridge said:
The F in the above relation is being applied at y - y moving up and down is what is generating it.
measure x from some equilibrium/rest position and y likewise ... then you'll see better how they interact.

Do you mean y-y_{o} ? Then how would the differential equation be?
 

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