Liquid Air and Compressed Air Density

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the densities of normal air and liquid air, exploring the implications of compressing air to high pressures and the conditions under which air may transition to a liquid state or supercritical fluid. The scope includes theoretical considerations and practical applications related to air compression.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that liquid air is 710 times denser than normal air and questions if compressing normal air to over 710 atmospheric pressure could result in a density greater than that of liquid air.
  • Another participant suggests researching the triple point of air, indicating its relevance to the discussion.
  • A participant explains the conditions under which air can liquefy, referencing specific temperatures and pressures, and questions whether air at STP should be considered a supercritical fluid.
  • One participant asserts that being supercritical requires exceeding both critical temperature and pressure, concluding that air at STP is merely a gas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions for air to be considered supercritical, and there is no consensus on whether air can achieve a density greater than that of liquid air through compression.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about isothermal compression and the definitions of supercritical fluids, which may not be universally agreed upon. The practical limits of air compressors are also not definitively established.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, or anyone involved in industrial and scientific applications of air compression.

Anand Sivaram
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Liquid Air and Compressed Air Density
Densities of Normal Air is 1.225 kg/m3 at STP, whereas the density of Liquid Air is 870 kg/m3. That means liquid air is 710x denser that normal air.
Then suppose, we compress normal air to more than 710 atmospheric pressure, then it could have a density more than that of liquid air. Is this understanding correct?
Basically, could we compress air to that high level? Can gaseous state have more density that the liquid state? What is the typical or practial maximum pressure achieved in an air compressor? Assuming all isothermal compression used.
 
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I understood the logic of Triple Point and Critical Point. If air is cooled to 132.63K at 1bar and then compress it to 37.858 bar, it would liquefy. Above this temperature there is no liquid phase.
For water it is 647K and 218bar above which it is considered as supercritical fluid.

In that case should air at STP also be considered as supercritical fluid? Also what is the typical pressure obtained from air compressors? Industrial/Scientific ones?
 
I believe supercritical implies being above critical point in both T and P. So air at STP is just a gas.
 
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