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The discussion centers on identifying authoritative and comprehensive textbooks in STEM fields, referred to as "STEM Bibles." Participants suggest various texts across disciplines, emphasizing their depth, respect within the community, and comprehensive coverage of subjects. Key physics texts mentioned include "The Feynman Lectures on Physics," "Classical Mechanics" by Goldstein, and "Classical Electrodynamics" by Jackson. Quantum mechanics discussions highlight the lack of consensus on a definitive "bible," with suggestions like Griffiths and Ballentine being debated for their comprehensiveness and authority. Other fields such as medical physiology and electrical engineering are also discussed, with texts like Guyton's "Medical Physiology" and Sze's "Physics of Semiconductor Devices" being proposed. The conversation reflects a blend of personal preferences and community standards, with some participants questioning the criteria for a book to achieve "bible" status, particularly regarding size and depth. The dialogue showcases a rich exchange of opinions on essential literature across various scientific disciplines.
  • #151
WWGD said:
I think you're not taking into account the high speed at which knowledge, information changes nowadays. Other than a core at an intro level, say undergrad, can you provide a coherent presentation that will be of value 5 or 10 years down the road?

Yup, because I also design online presentations and interactive virtual activities.

So it is odd that you are trying to ask me to show "evidence" or provide proofs of things. You never provided any evidence for what I asked for in my original question to you. It seems that this is simply a one-way thing : you throw stuff out, and we have to debunk it.

At what point do you show evidence to support any of your claim? Or is this your normal operation?

Zz.
 
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  • #152
How about the “bible” by Whittaker and Watson, most recent edition published in 1927 and still relevant today?
 
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  • #153
ZapperZ said:
Yup, because I also design online presentations and interactive virtual activities.

So it is odd that you are trying to ask me to show "evidence" or provide proofs of things. You never provided any evidence for what I asked for in my original question to you. It seems that this is simply a one-way thing : you throw stuff out, and we have to debunk it.

At what point do you show evidence to support any of your claim? Or is this your normal operation?

Zz.
What specific claim are you referring to? Brick-and mortar schools dying out? All sorts of alternatives emerging? Information becoming outdated by the time a book is published? Do you really need me to provide evidence for that? Edit: And it is not just education. Everything is changing at acrate faster than we , our institutions, can cope with in a reasonable way. Does that require evidence or an argument?
 
  • #154
WWGD said:
What specific claim are you referring to? Brick-and mortar schools dying out? All sorts of alternatives emerging? Information becoming outdated by the time a book is published? Do you really need me to provide evidence for that?

Yes, and this:

Show me where a similar content to Boas's "Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences" is available for free? Show me where a similar content to Mattuck's "A Guide to Feynman Diagrams in Many-Body Problem" is available free. Show me where a smilar content to Mahan's "Many-Particle Physics" is available for free.

Zz.
 
  • #155
ZapperZ said:
Yes, and this:
Zz.
Yes, I agreed with you that core, settled, undergrad books can be, are valuable, but not those at a more advanced level. And if you want to see alternatives to brick-mortar, just look at online schools, online self-education. But I will provide more data when I have access to my PC, I am on my phone now. The whole world is changing way too fast for our institutions to cope.
 
  • #156
WWGD said:
Yes, I agreed with you that core, settled, undergrad books can be, are valuable, but not those at a more advanced level. And if you want to see alternatives to brick-mortar, just look at online schools, online self-education. But I will provide more data when I have access to my PC, I am on my phone now. The whole world is changing way too fast for our institutions to cope.

Again, you're asking ME to do the work to find YOUR evidence to support YOUR claim!

Those books that I stated are all advanced level text. I see no such similarities anywhere online. So do not dismiss those because the burden of proof is on you!

Zz.
 
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  • #157
ZapperZ said:
Show me where a similar content to Boas's "Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences" is available for free? Show me where a similar content to Mattuck's "A Guide to Feynman Diagrams in Many-Body Problem" is available free. Show me where a smilar content to Mahan's "Many-Particle Physics" is available for free.

Unless you are espousing pirated copies of such books, I don't see any other similar content that is available for free. And don't start with me on Wikipedia.

Zz.

There's a collection of lecture notes on mathematics and physics from Cambridge University on the link below. It's true that lecture notes are rarely as perfected as a good textbook. But this collection of notes has the internal coherence of a university program. And they cover pretty much everything we learn in university (which is why I'm linking them in this topic). The inevitable imperfections of the lecture notes, can be compensated by reading different professors' lecture notes on the same subject.

https://ln.sync.com/dl/1f4af5c40/9hi9gt4i-evpn76tq-badt8eaz-ckxem3zf
 
  • #158
FourEyedRaven said:
There's a collection of lecture notes on mathematics and physics from Cambridge University on the link below. It's true that lecture notes are rarely as perfected as a good textbook. But this collection of notes has the internal coherence of a university program. And they cover pretty much everything we learn in university (which is why I'm linking them in this topic). The inevitable imperfections of the lecture notes, can be compensated by reading different professors' lecture notes on the same subject.

https://ln.sync.com/dl/1f4af5c40/9hi9gt4i-evpn76tq-badt8eaz-ckxem3zf
Or cam be complemented / corrected by participating in sites such as this, Physics Stack Exchange, etc. I have seen people without formal education beyond undergrad that are scary good in their respective areas.
 
  • #159
FourEyedRaven said:
There's a collection of lecture notes on mathematics and physics from Cambridge University on the link below. It's true that lecture notes are rarely as perfected as a good textbook. But this collection of notes has the internal coherence of a university program. And they cover pretty much everything we learn in university (which is why I'm linking them in this topic). The inevitable imperfections of the lecture notes, can be compensated by reading different professors' lecture notes on the same subject.

https://ln.sync.com/dl/1f4af5c40/9hi9gt4i-evpn76tq-badt8eaz-ckxem3zf

Sorry, no. Lectures notes are not textbooks. They are "condensed" summary. If my textbooks are as terse as lecture notes, I'd throw them out.

Zz.
 
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  • #160
WWGD said:
If I may make a more radical comment: What, if any STEM books are worth buying given that most or all the content is available online for free? Are STEM books, if not the whole current education system ananachronisms on their way out, gasping their last breaths?
Well, I think there's still a great difference in quality comparing well-published and edited textbooks compared to some arbitrary online manuscripts. Also if I want to really learn something and work with a text, be it a textbook or research paper, I have to print it out on paper. Perhaps I'm old (fashioned) ;-(.
 
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  • #161
vanhees71 said:
Well, I think there's still a great difference in quality comparing well-published and edited textbooks compared to some arbitrary online manuscripts. Also if I want to really learn something and work with a text, be it a textbook or research paper, I have to print it out on paper. Perhaps I'm old (fashioned) ;-(.
Yes, we're not quite there yet but a larger proportion of learning is not bottom-up any more ( as in standard schooling), but top-down, lateral, etc. And I too am old-fashioned ;) and do plenty of printing and have a legacy of thousands of printouts from my school days, courtesy of the fact that printing was subsidized by school at around $.01 per page. Edit: Just to clarify, I don't believe the internet can be a perfect substitute for a classroom education just that the traditional setup of many schools do not allow them to effectively change with the times.
 
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What do you mean by "bottom-up" vs. "top down" learning and how is it different in a "analogue" vs. a "digital" setting.

I think electronic media are a great addition to the tool box. I usually scan my calculations and handwritten notes to have them in an ordered with me in an ordered way. I provide manuscripts for my lectures to the students etc. Of course, I also use sometimes a projector with a presentation (though never powerpoint for aesthetical reasons) to show some plot or other graphics I'm not able to draw adequately on the black board, but that I use very rarely, because particularly in theoretical physics just flashing a presentation to the wall and telling them what's on the "slides" is not as helpful as it might seem. Developing ideas on the black board (if possible without using my notes but really rethinking the stuff on the blackboard again), including discussions with the students, is in my opinion something which provides the specific additional value of a lecture in contradistinction to other forms of teaching and learning like reading a textbook, solve problems, do some e-learning online exercise or chatting on a forum like the present one.

I think the more different media you have at hand as a learner the better, and I also think as teachers we have to carefully think about how to develop ways to use electronic media in a really useful way.

There's a big political debate in Germany about the introduction of the "new media" at primary and secondary schools as well as in universities. The discussion concerning the schools is usually only about hardware, including computers, laptops, tablets as well as LAN/WLAN access. This is of course a necessary prerequisite, particularly given that it's shame how Germany is lacking in this simply infrastructural necessities, but now that finally they managed to finance it via federal money (the school and university education in Germany is due to the states, and it's not so easy to fund something concerning this by federal money) they all of a sudden realize that they don't have sufficient didactically high-quality content to offer on all this hardware, which indeed is an even greater shame. Just equipping the schools with hardware without a didactical concept and sufficient high-quality material for each learning/age level makes of course the entire endeavor useless before it has really started.

I was really shocked when some years ago my niece came home from school telling that they now had some IT lessons, and she was a bit disappointed about the fact that it was just learning to work with the Microsoft Office package rather than doing some programming.

There's really a lot to be desired concerning a useful application of the great possibilities of the "new media", which goes beyond simple storage and availability of information in form of the "old media", i.e., simply pdfs of textbooks and the like, though it's of course also good to have this, but it's not enough to really provide a true additional value to them.

My conclusion is, we should take the opportunities serious and develop some great additional learning offers for the students using all kinds of "e-learning" concepts but not forget also the well established old-fashioned standard equipment, including black-board teaching and discussions at lectures and recitation sessions.
 
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  • #163
WWGD said:
Yes, we're not quite there yet but a larger proportion of learning is not bottom-up any more ( as in standard schooling), but top-down, lateral, etc.

I disagree with this. Historically, education has been "top-down", not "bottom-up". Classes used to be where the professor, at the top, teaches and is the source of information, while the students, at the bottom, absorbs the information. It has been a one-way flow of knowledge from the top down to the bottom.

This isn't true anymore, and certainly not at the General Physics level where the "bottom-up" approach has been implemented in many schools. Eric Mazur's "Peer Instruction" methodology is one very clear example, where student-student interactions and instructions play a major role in a classroom, and where the instructor plays the role of a "facilitator".

The same can be said about "Studio Physics" concepts, where the students themselves make their own discovery or activity. None of these were widely practiced a decade ago, and none of these are "top-down" approach to education.

Zz.
 
  • #164
ZapperZ said:
Sorry, no. Lectures notes are not textbooks. They are "condensed" summary. If my textbooks are as terse as lecture notes, I'd throw them out.

Zz.

Sure, they're not textbooks. Even a good textbook usually needs a second edition to be mature enough. But good textbooks usually grow out of lecture notes. What's happening now is that many authors are publishing their lecture notes online a couple of years before the book's publication (eg https://www.slac.stanford.edu/~mpeskin/#hep ; https://commons.library.stonybrook.edu/egp/ ; http://www.pmaweb.caltech.edu/Courses/ph136/yr2012/ ; https://faculty.math.illinois.edu/~r-ash/ ). It's rarely as polished as a textbook, but it's nothing to sneeze at either. And even lecture notes that have not been published as books can be very good (eg http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/tong/teaching.html )
 
  • #165
FourEyedRaven said:
Sure, they're not textbooks. Even a good textbook usually needs a second edition to be mature enough. But good textbooks usually grow out of lecture notes. What's happening now is that many authors are publishing their lecture notes online a couple of years before the book's publication (eg https://www.slac.stanford.edu/~mpeskin/#hep ; https://commons.library.stonybrook.edu/egp/ ; http://www.pmaweb.caltech.edu/Courses/ph136/yr2012/ ; https://faculty.math.illinois.edu/~r-ash/ ). It's rarely as polished as a textbook, but it's nothing to sneeze at either. And even lecture notes that have not been published as books can be very good (eg http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/tong/teaching.html )

You are confusing the issue here, which unfortunately often occurs in a thread on PF. Remember, I was countering @WWGD assertion on the question whether"... any STEM books are worth buying given that most or all the content is available online for free... " and I challenged him to show ANY source as good as the classic texts that we currently used.

My reply was NOT a knock on lecture notes! If we both agree they are not on par with these textbooks, then what are we arguing here? The existence of these lecture notes are still NOT evidence that there are equal-caliber sources available "for free".

So where do we disagree here?

Zz.
 
  • #166
Well, my statement was too sweeping. Still, one can go very far training oneself outside of the standard school system nowadays outside of the need to conduct experiments. Maybe a solid undergrad is enough as has been the case with mentors here itself.
 
  • #167
ZapperZ said:
You are confusing the issue here, which unfortunately often occurs in a thread on PF. Remember, I was countering @WWGD assertion on the question whether"... any STEM books are worth buying given that most or all the content is available online for free... " and I challenged him to show ANY source as good as the classic texts that we currently used.

My reply was NOT a knock on lecture notes! If we both agree they are not on par with these textbooks, then what are we arguing here? The existence of these lecture notes are still NOT evidence that there are equal-caliber sources available "for free".

So where do we disagree here?

Zz.

The disagreement is not significant, it's a matter of degree. You sounded too dismissive of online material. I was arguing against being dismissive.
 
  • #168
FourEyedRaven said:
The disagreement is not significant, it's a matter of degree. You sounded too dismissive of online material. I was arguing against being dismissive.

then where were you when classic textbooks were being dismissed?

Zz.
 
  • #169
ZapperZ said:
then where were you when classic textbooks were being dismissed?

Zz.

Relaxing
 
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  • #170
WWGD said:
Well, my statement was too sweeping. Still, one can go very far training oneself outside of the standard school system nowadays outside of the need to conduct experiments. Maybe a solid undergrad is enough as has been the case with mentors here itself.
Sure, at the end you have to learn everything yourself. The question is, how to provide information, and I think it should be a mix of many methods. There's not one single method which is the one and only one that fits all students.

E.g., in high school I was pretty bad in math until about the 8th grade, and I got ennoyed by getting bad marks in math. The teachers couldn't explain the material well, and I don't tell what I think about (German) high-school textbooks in math. So I went to the city library and looked for math books I could understand. Fortunately they had a multi-volume textbook called "Mathematics for Engineers", starting with "elementary math" and then calculus. The "elementary-math" book was the revelation. All of a sudden I could understand why the geometry works as it does, because they had kinds of proofs in that book perfectly suited to understand Euclidean geometry. It were not rigorous proofs as in a university textbook for math majors, which wouldn't have helped me much at the time but I all of a sudden got the idea that math is not a recipy to blindly follow but something that could be understood and you that you can deduce from very simple "obvious" ideas more complicated theorems. From then on I didn't listen to my teachers anymore and all I used the school book for was to read off the homework problems to be solved. From then on I was good in math.

Of course good instruction (top-down approach in the above discussed sense, were a good teacher gives a lecture-like thing) of course helps a lot to shorten the trouble to find the information one needs in a comprehensible form, and it's always also possible to ask the teacher when one doesn't understand something, and he can answer you in a personal way to get you to understand the issue. That's what you can never get from a book. Then you of course also need to get active by solving problems, which you can also do in various ways, i.e., sitting alone at home and trying to figure the problems out for yourself or you can meet with other students and try to solve them together, which as a side effect trains you also to discuss a subject you and maybe also the others haven't yet understood themselves.

The latter is imho the most important part of the entire business of studying at a university, because you learn to attack problems of which you and also the people around you know the answer, i.e., precisely the situation you have in doing research, and this skill is something not only needed in academic research but also elsewhere outside of the universities and research labs.
 
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And I don't know in Germany, but in the US, people are hired as teachers in universities based on their ability to do research and bring in funding for the school, not for their ability to teach effectively. I can tell Zz is a dedicated teacher interested in his students but, frankly, many are not ,and this makes going to lectures a waste of time. At the pregrad or undergrad level , as you said, there is little room for experimentation and customization of the material. I see tweaking and experimenting as an essential aspect of learning and schooling as present in general does not in general allow for that.
 
  • #172
WWGD said:
Yes, I agreed with you that core, settled, undergrad books can be, are valuable, but not those at a more advanced level. And if you want to see alternatives to brick-mortar, just look at online schools, online self-education. But I will provide more data when I have access to my PC, I am on my phone now. The whole world is changing way too fast for our institutions to cope.

If you think that universities should simply be job training centers, then I suppose I can see where you are coming from, but even advanced materials don't change that rapidly. Undergraduate material is core material that barely changes at all and really only benefits form updated context, which is the responsibility of the instructor as much as it is that of the book.

Graduate material for courses is still largely core material. The real cutting edge learning occurs in the research lab and by reading research papers, which are published and change much more rapidly than the textbooks presenting core materials. Even still, it turns out that if one is going to have a strong grasp of, say, modern, cutting-edge quantum information (or any other such rapidly-developing field), they still need a strong foundation in the aspects of the science that haven't changed in decades.

WWGD said:
And I don't know in Germany, but in the US, people are hired as teachers in universities based on their ability to do research and bring in funding for the school, not for their ability to teach effectively. I can tell Zz is a dedicated teacher interested in his students but, frankly, many are not ,and this makes going to lectures a waste of time. At the pregrad or undergrad level , as you said, there is little room for experimentation and customization of the material. I see tweaking and experimenting as an essential aspect of learning and schooling as present in general does not in general allow for that.

Most professors in the US (or at least the younger ones) genuinely have an interest in teaching students. Where curricula become overly prescriptive, it is usually (but not always) because of requirements imposed upon departments from a legislature, accreditation board, or higher level at the university.

Signed,

A US university professor
 
  • #173
boneh3ad said:
If you think that universities should simply be job training centers, then I suppose I can see where you are coming from, but even advanced materials don't change that rapidly. Undergraduate material is core material that barely changes at all and really only benefits form updated context, which is the responsibility of the instructor as much as it is that of the book.

Graduate material for courses is still largely core material. The real cutting edge learning occurs in the research lab and by reading research papers, which are published and change much more rapidly than the textbooks presenting core materials. Even still, it turns out that if one is going to have a strong grasp of, say, modern, cutting-edge quantum information (or any other such rapidly-developing field), they still need a strong foundation in the aspects of the science that haven't changed in decades.
Most professors in the US (or at least the younger ones) genuinely have an interest in teaching students. Where curricula become overly prescriptive, it is usually (but not always) because of requirements imposed upon departments from a legislature, accreditation board, or higher level at the university.

Signed,

A US university professor
You're agreeing with me. I stated a core us needed and should be kept. Beyond that, it is up for grabs as the material soon becomes outdated. Would you keep, e.g., books on Networking, Oop, A.I beyond the basic level for more than a few years? And I guess teaching quality may vary. I had several professors who had no office hours, graded no work, some times just came into class, wrote for an hour on the board and just walked out afterwards without a single exchange in the process. And I paid a high out-of-state tuition for sonething I could have taught myself. And, no, I don't believe schools should be training centers but the training and job- finding aspects should be considered too.
 
  • #174
WWGD said:
in the US, people are hired as teachers in universities based on their ability to do research and bring in funding for the school, not for their ability to teach effectively
This I think is an overstated generalization.

I went to a small college (not university) for undergrad and I have to say that my physics professors were, without exception, highly effective teachers. My graduate school professors (a large state university) were also effective (with only a few exceptions, in classes I was not much interested in -- so I bear as much or more responsibility than they do).
 
  • #175
gmax137 said:
This I think is an overstated generalization.

I went to a small college (not university) for undergrad and I have to say that my physics professors were, without exception, highly effective teachers. My graduate school professors (a large state university) were also effective (with only a few exceptions, in classes I was not much interested in -- so I bear as much or more responsibility than they do).
I think your case is typical of smaller schools. In larger schools, publish-perish and other pressures sap time , energy and resources away from teaching. Moreover, I believe the traditional lecture format should die a quick death. And I do know what I am talking about. I had my own format for lecturing which received positivr reviews and I had an attendance rate of 95%+ during that time. High-powered schools advertise the Nobelists or high-profile staff most of whom will never interact with a freshman or even Masters student, as these faculty will be busy with their research and flying to-and-fro congresses and meets with colleagues. Instead, the classes will most likely be taught by T.As , who only took the class a few semesters prior. Mr high-powered prof will not be hanging out in a student lounge asking Johnny or Jill how their Calc2 class is coming about.
 
  • #176
WWGD said:
You're agreeing with me. I stated a core us needed and should be kept. Beyond that, it is up for grabs as the material soon becomes outdated. Would you keep, e.g., books on Networking, Oop, A.I beyond the basic level for more than a few years? And I guess teaching quality may vary. I had several professors who had no office hours, graded no work, some times just came into class, wrote for an hour on the board and just walked out afterwards without a single exchange in the process. And I paid a high out-of-state tuition for sonething I could have taught myself. And, no, I don't believe schools should be training centers but the training and job- finding aspects should be considered too.

I am not agreeing with you due to what appears to be differing definitions of "basic level" in this discussion. In fact, I don't think "basic" is the correct way to describe the delineation between what is slowly-changing versus rapidly-changing. The better descriptor is "fundamental." Undergrads learn basic fundamentals and that is what their textbooks cover. Graduate students learn (in class) advanced fundamentals. It is still fundamental material and slowly-changing, but it certainly isn't basic.

So yes, I would say that, in general, textbooks still have a place now and will in the future. They won't necessarily be in the exact form they are in now, but their existence as compendia of fundamental technical knowledge on a subject that have been gathered by verified experts and organized/presented in a way that is (ostensibly) appropriate for teaching a specific audience will remain indispensable for the foreseeable future.
 
  • #177
Well then I guess my experience must be grossly unrepresentative. When I tried to sell my used grad texts in several areas ( which I had bought new and were just 3-4,years old) I contacted several used-book stores. Out of some 30 books ,I donated the majority and sold 2 for a whopping total of $7. No one offered a single penny for the other books. EDIT: This was in NYC and Boston, two large markets, some 5 years ago.
 
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That is a separate issue, though. That doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the textbook materials being scientifically out of date, and more to do with the fact that academic publishers are greedy and publish new editions that have primarily new example problems and only very minor content changes, and the end result is to make older editions nearly worthless for resale since future classes are using a different edition. The other issue is that graduate texts are more specialized and therefore have a lower demand. That does not mean the material is no longer scientifically accurate or useful.
 
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  • #179
Not too long ago I moved cross country and thought I might as well use the opportunity to thin my book collection. I was moving from New England, where there are lots of used book stores (like at least a dozen within an hours drive). I checked around, they don't pay anything unless a book is really special. They are inundated by people trying to drop off boxes of books. I took 12 large boxes to my local public library for their annual booksale. If I have to give them away, at least it did the library some good.

If you want to get a better idea of a book's market value, look it up on one of the selling websites, don't go by what the sellers will offer you for it.
 
  • #180
gmax137 said:
If you want to get a better idea of a book's market value, look it up on one of the selling websites, don't go by what the sellers will offer you for it.

Look on Amazon to see what others are selling it for...

As for the to-down, bottom-up approach: Look at the Moore Method of Mathematics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore_method, although he was a racist, it is a good method of bottom -up.

On another note: core material. Sure that doesn't change and I'd say that the current edition of Halliday and Resnik (and whomever is added onto that author chain), isn't significantly better than the 3rd ed I had in '83/84, the reason they put out new editions is in my estimation, flash, color diagrams etc... I was not impressed when I taught at the community college years ago when they said they were changing to something else. The reason, it looked nicer.
 
  • #181
WWGD said:
And I don't know in Germany, but in the US, people are hired as teachers in universities based on their ability to do research and bring in funding for the school, not for their ability to teach effectively. I can tell Zz is a dedicated teacher interested in his students but, frankly, many are not ,and this makes going to lectures a waste of time. At the pregrad or undergrad level , as you said, there is little room for experimentation and customization of the material. I see tweaking and experimenting as an essential aspect of learning and schooling as present in general does not in general allow for that.
That's the same in Germany, though there are many very dedicated teachers among the professors I know. When I was a student, it was very simple: If the lecture was bad, we simply didn't attend. There was no problem doing so, because all that counted was to get the final exams right (which consisted of four written exams for the "Vordiplom", usually taken after the 4th semester and in four oral exams at the end of the studies towards the "Diplom" + the diploma thesis, which was a first piece of research).
 
  • #182
In the US, some classes require assistance; there is roll call or a sheet of paper is passed around and students sign it. In some large classes this ends up taking up to 10% or more of lecture time. Funny that prof. seems exhausted after going through 60+ names, a bit short of breath aftetwards.I worked as a TA for a while . I voluntarily took speech and diction class to improve my presentation.
 
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a comment on selling grad level math books: when I retired and moved a few years ago, I found I could not sell my books to bookstores either. But it is not that they were outdated or not in demand. Indeed some were brand new, and several were simultaneously offered (used) for sale for hundreds of dollars by the same stores (Powell's Bookstore in Portland, Oregon, I'm talking about you) that offered me less than $5 or nothing at all for those same books. I closed them out quickly by offering them all for $5 each to students and faculty at my old math department. Of course I now regret selling them since in my retirement I have often missed some of them for reference, but it was very hard to move 3,000 miles with a LOT of books. and the students who got them are the future of our subject.
 
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  • #185
It's even worse when selling to Half Price Books, you get about 50 cents/book. I'll go online and sell thru Amazon when I decide to pair down my collection.
 
  • #186
There are too, sites where you can barter , i.e., exchange goods. So you may trade in your books for other books, lamps, etc. I heard of these recently. Hope I can get a reasonable deal.
 
  • #187
Shoenberg's Magnetic oscillations in metals is another bible, a well cited book.
 
  • #188
I don't understand why would anyone be departed from his books? Just buy a bigger apartment. :-D
 
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  • #189
MathematicalPhysicist said:
I don't understand why would anyone be departed from his books? Just buy a bigger apartment. :-D
You have to think ahead: your earthly books will be thrown away when you die. That's a huge waste !
 
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  • #191
MathematicalPhysicist said:
I don't understand why would anyone be departed from his books? Just buy a bigger apartment. :-D

Significant other. And don't say "Find another!" :oldbiggrin:

I already have 500+ books at home. When I retire (in 6 to 8 years), most of the 500+ books in my office will make the trip to my house, but not all will. For example not all the first-year texts (I have the well-known ones, and some not so well-known ones) will make trip, nor will all my general astronomy books.
 
  • #193
Wow, there's a lot of indexed material. I even found an infamous manifesto.
 
  • #195
However, I would be more worried about the infamous manifesto.
 
  • #196
Trying not to duplicate anything
Some of these are dated

Whittaker A Treatise on the Analytical Dynamics of Particles and Rigid Bodies
Pars A Treatise on Analytical Dynamics
Routh Dynamics of a System of Rigid Bodies (2 V)

Bozorth Ferromagnetism

Morse Ingard Theoretical Acoustics

Zienkiewicz Finite Element Method (3 V)
Truesdell The Non-Linear Field Theories of Mechanics
Hill Mathematical Theory of Plasticity
Bowden Taylor Friction and Lubrication of Solids (2V)

Zeldovich Physics of Shock Waves and High-Temperature Hydrodynamic Phenomena (2 V)
Courant Friedrichs Supersonic Flow and Shock Waves
Slater Chemical Physics
 
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  • #197
I do not know if a conference proceeding can be a bible, but if so

The planetary science cratering community had the "blue bible"
Roddy Impact and Explosion Cratering

While I might be wrong, I would suspect that
Kolm High Magnetic Fields
was once considered a bible

The first major conference of a specialty is generally pretty good
 
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  • #198
I've just found this book on statistical mechanics, though I personally haven't read it yet
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0086PU1HS/?tag=pfamazon01-20
it is a big book, and cover a lot of material (according to the table of content).
 
  • #199
andresB said:
I've just found this book on statistical mechanics, though I personally haven't read it yet
It seems a bit strange to consider a book invaluable if you haven't read it yet.
 
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  • #200
It's a very good book at the advanced graduate level.
 

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