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The discussion centers on identifying authoritative and comprehensive textbooks in STEM fields, referred to as "STEM Bibles." Participants suggest various texts across disciplines, emphasizing their depth, respect within the community, and comprehensive coverage of subjects. Key physics texts mentioned include "The Feynman Lectures on Physics," "Classical Mechanics" by Goldstein, and "Classical Electrodynamics" by Jackson. Quantum mechanics discussions highlight the lack of consensus on a definitive "bible," with suggestions like Griffiths and Ballentine being debated for their comprehensiveness and authority. Other fields such as medical physiology and electrical engineering are also discussed, with texts like Guyton's "Medical Physiology" and Sze's "Physics of Semiconductor Devices" being proposed. The conversation reflects a blend of personal preferences and community standards, with some participants questioning the criteria for a book to achieve "bible" status, particularly regarding size and depth. The dialogue showcases a rich exchange of opinions on essential literature across various scientific disciplines.
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vela said:
It seems a bit strange to consider a book invaluable if you haven't read it yet.
Indeed, that would be strange. Good thing I didn't say such thing.
 
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Must be pretty good
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  • #203
BvU said:
Must be pretty good
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It obviously is!

Proof (by capitalism): How many times do you have to use up a paperback to justify the purchase of a hardcover? In this case we have ten times, since
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. Hence one hardcover equals ten paperbacks. But to use up ten paperbacks you will have to use the book really, really often. If it is despite of this still better to purchase a hardcover, then the book price guarantees a frequent use of the book. ##\blacksquare##
 
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I only posted because I found it so funny. Must be a bug in Amazon website: they can't show a seller.
Publisher is clear: hardcover 129 GBP soft 73 GBP
 
  • #205
"Modern Quantum Field Theory: A Concise Introduction" by Thomas Banks. It has a nice quality.
 
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fresh_42 said:
It obviously is!

Proof (by capitalism): How many times do you have to use up a paperback to justify the purchase of a hardcover? In this case we have ten times, since View attachment 276526. Hence one hardcover equals ten paperbacks. But to use up ten paperbacks you will have to use the book really, really often. If it is despite of this still better to purchase a hardcover, then the book price guarantees a frequent use of the book. ##\blacksquare##
In that case even better, the hardcover has a discount by this reasoning... ↕
 
  • #209
Thanks for this thread. I'm a software engineer trying to further my education with self-study, and I'll definitely be checking out some of the texts recommended in this thread. I was looking over at my bookshelf of computer science books and thought I'd contribute my thoughts on CS "bibles."

Demystifier said:
Knuth - The Art of Computer Programming, 4 volumes.
Zarlucicil said:
As for computer science, I'd add CLRS - Introduction to Algorithms, 3rd ed.
I'd like to enthusiastically second these two.

TAOCP is utterly authoritative, with credit for finding errata being an absolute holy grail in the field. The only criterion that it arguably fails is that it doesn't "more or less cover everything" for its subject matter, since the work is incomplete and Knuth is unlikely to live to be 200+ years old (there are supposed to be at least 2 more books in Volume IV and at least three more volumes after that). Still, it does cover a lot so far, by my measure taking up almost 7 bookshelf inches. If you only ever read a single work in all of computer science, I think it's got to be this one.

CLRS is also a solid pick. It's just an introductory-level algorithms and data structures text, but it covers its material comprehensively, to the point that it's actually the single thickest volume on my shelf. It's a standard undergraduate text and it's well-respected enough as a reference to be cited all of the time in scholarly works and industry.

Dragon27 said:
SICP
I'm not such a big fan of this as a bible, though it's difficult to articulate why. I guess my hesitation primarily comes from it being so old. Really the whole point of the book is to teach freshman CS students the basic cognitive building-blocks of programming to prepare them for further study. But SICP would not really be a great choice for that purpose nowadays. It's like nominating an introductory mechanics textbook from 1900. A student could get used to the archaic notation, but you still have to wonder whether it's a good idea to use a text completely uninformed by later developments like relativity. The archaic notation in the case of SICP is the use of the Scheme programming language, and the book is littered with pedagogy that hasn't exactly stood the test of time (for example, I would feel bad for students forced to muddle through chapters 4 and 5 nowadays). It's tough to recommend a textbook published 35 years ago when the material in the book largely didn't even exist 35 years before it was written. The early volumes of TAOCP have this same problem, but skirt it since their much more mathematical focus remains relevant today while SICP's subject matter is more of an applied science that is a moving target.

Okay, so do I have anything new to add for CS? I've only got one thing on my shelf that unequivocally meets the entire definition: Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach by Russell and Norvig. It doesn't cover everything in AI obviously, but the introductory material that it does cover is encyclopedic. It's a standard, well-respected text in the field.

(I could give other recommendations that do things better than the standard bible on the topic, but that's not the point of the thread! :smile:)
 
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Greetings,

Anatole Abragam, The Principles of Nuclear Magnetism, Oxford University Press, (1993).ES

 
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  • #211
On the matter of encyclopedias does a
Mcgraw Hill Encyclopedia of Physics warrant a place on a list like this... Tons of topics covered.
 
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AbyssalPloy said:
On the matter of encyclopedias does a
Mcgraw Hill Encyclopedia of Physics warrant a place on a list like this... Tons of topics covered.
I think the book is not widely known, so no.
 
  • #213
I thought the following list was good for Quantum Mechanics:


Although the Feynman Lectures is a masterpiece every mathematician/physicist should own I don't think it is good as a first exposure. It is excellent as supplementary reading or after first exposure.

Thanks
Bill
 
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  • #214
Algebra by Serge Lang deserves a mention, I think.
 
  • #215
Dictionary of Mathematics, by Borwein and Borowski. There is an online version too. I browse it for fun.
 
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  • #217
There is the nice Real Analysis series (5 books total), by Peterson.
https://www.routledge.com/Basic-Analysis-Volumes-IV/Peterson/p/book/9781138055148

Although a bit pricey. AMS/MAA members receive 30% off any order purchased through CRC Press. Its about $400 with the discount.
It contains gems not found in other books. By gems, I mean, things a lecturer or someone teaching analysis for many years has learned, and tells students during lecture, which are not printed in books. Proofs are very detailed, and it is a joy to read. Only negative is the exercises, a bit too easy. A let down, since the exposition is concise, clear, and informative.

This book is perfect for students who graduated in a BS in mathematics from a "weak" program, and want to understand Real Analysis. Physics/Eng majors, or any STEM majors, who want to learn Analysis proper.
 
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  • #218
vanhees71 said:
What do you mean by "bottom-up" vs. "top down" learning and how is it different in a "analogue" vs. a "digital" setting.

I think electronic media are a great addition to the tool box. I usually scan my calculations and handwritten notes to have them in an ordered with me in an ordered way. I provide manuscripts for my lectures to the students etc. Of course, I also use sometimes a projector with a presentation (though never powerpoint for aesthetical reasons) to show some plot or other graphics I'm not able to draw adequately on the black board, but that I use very rarely, because particularly in theoretical physics just flashing a presentation to the wall and telling them what's on the "slides" is not as helpful as it might seem. Developing ideas on the black board (if possible without using my notes but really rethinking the stuff on the blackboard again), including discussions with the students, is in my opinion something which provides the specific additional value of a lecture in contradistinction to other forms of teaching and learning like reading a textbook, solve problems, do some e-learning online exercise or chatting on a forum like the present one.

I think the more different media you have at hand as a learner the better, and I also think as teachers we have to carefully think about how to develop ways to use electronic media in a really useful way.

There's a big political debate in Germany about the introduction of the "new media" at primary and secondary schools as well as in universities. The discussion concerning the schools is usually only about hardware, including computers, laptops, tablets as well as LAN/WLAN access. This is of course a necessary prerequisite, particularly given that it's shame how Germany is lacking in this simply infrastructural necessities, but now that finally they managed to finance it via federal money (the school and university education in Germany is due to the states, and it's not so easy to fund something concerning this by federal money) they all of a sudden realize that they don't have sufficient didactically high-quality content to offer on all this hardware, which indeed is an even greater shame. Just equipping the schools with hardware without a didactical concept and sufficient high-quality material for each learning/age level makes of course the entire endeavor useless before it has really started.

I was really shocked when some years ago my niece came home from school telling that they now had some IT lessons, and she was a bit disappointed about the fact that it was just learning to work with the Microsoft Office package rather than doing some programming.

There's really a lot to be desired concerning a useful application of the great possibilities of the "new media", which goes beyond simple storage and availability of information in form of the "old media", i.e., simply pdfs of textbooks and the like, though it's of course also good to have this, but it's not enough to really provide a true additional value to them.

My conclusion is, we should take the opportunities serious and develop some great additional learning offers for the students using all kinds of "e-learning" concepts but not forget also the well established old-fashioned standard equipment, including black-board teaching and discussions at lectures and recitation sessions.
Im facing a similar scenario in a college course , Vector Analysis. Although the material is familiar, I took Multivariable Analysis when doing my BS. This is a course akin to what Physcist and Engineers take. The lecturer just copy and paste information word per word from the textbook onto powerpoint slides. Nothing new, nor insights added during the lecture. Just straight reading from the slides (book). One of the laziest people workers I have ever observed. I was considering not attending lecture, but it is mandatory (B is max grade a student can receive if missing lectures).

Where more time could be spent doing problems. Since I am familiar with this topic, from the theoretical side, the problems are somewhat trivial. However, If one was learning the material for the first time, the book explanations makes these problems unapproachable, since lots of terminology or techniques are not really introduced in the reading.

Truth be told, I never had a great experience when math instructors would try to implement technology into the classroom. Although, my physics teachers were the opposite. Maybe university mathematics, of the pure variety, by nature do not lend themselves well to technology?
 
  • #219
Wrichik Basu said:
For QM, you can surely include Griffiths' Introduction to Quantum Mechanics and Ramamurti Shankar's Principles of Quantum Mechanics. Though finding a book containing everything in QM is not possible.

For general physics, Halliday's Fundamentals of Physics and H. C.Verma's Concepts of Physics do require a mention.
I personally found Principles of physics by Halliday, Resnick to be more detailed and intuitive, yet beginner friendly at the same time for High School/UG level General Physics. So, i feel that requires a mention.
 
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Thanks, @SaranSDS008, for quoting and reminding me of this thread.

At the risk of repetition (I didn't go through all the 7 pages), I believe Modern Quantum Mechanics by Sakurai and Statistical Mechanics by Pathria are worthy additions to this list.

In fact, Sakurai's Modern QM clearly shows that I was utterly wrong in saying the following:
Wrichik Basu said:
Though finding a book containing everything in QM is not possible.
Opinions change with age and experience. Can't help it.
 
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  • #221
SaranSDS008 said:
I personally found Principles of physics by Halliday, Resnick to be more detailed and intuitive, yet beginner friendly at the same time for High School/UG level General Physics. So, i feel that requires a mention.
They have a more advanced version with the third author as krane called "Physics" which comes in 2 volumes. That according to me is the most comprehensive general calculus based physics textbooks.
 
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  • #223
Demystifier said:
- quantum field theory:
the old testament: S. Weinberg, The Quantum Theory of Fields Volume I
the new testament: S. Weinberg, The Quantum Theory of Fields Volume II
(There is also the Volume III on supersymmetry, but it does not have such a high reputation.)

I know this thread is a bit old now, but I must say that when I was first trying to master quantum field theory I bought Steven Weinberg's book only to be further mystified. It is definitetly a book to read second or even third. My best first book for quantum field theory was 'A Modern Introduction to Quantum Field Theory' by Michele Maggiore. At 290 pages it covers most and probably a little more for a first course in quantum field theory. Second book I would suggest 'An Introduction to Quantum Field Theory' by Michael Peskin and Daniel Schroeder. I did get some useful insights from 'Quantum Field Theory in a Nutshell' by Anthony Zee. A book to also read but definitely not a full text, but wonderful for its insights is 'Quantum Electrodynamics' by Richard Feynman.
 
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For me Peskin Schroeder is a bit too sloppy at important points. E.g., to have logarithms with dimensionful quantities in the chapter on the renormalization group is a no-go. For me the best intro book so far is

S. Coleman, Lectures of Sidney Coleman on Quantum Field
Theory, World Scientific Publishing Co. Pte. Ltd., Hackensack
(2018), https://doi.org/10.1142/9371

To also cover the more modern aspects of the Standard Model:

M. D. Schwartz, Quantum field theory and the Standard
Model, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York
(2014).

To really learn, why QFT looks the way it looks, of course, Weinberg's Quantum Theory of Fields vol. 1+2 are the best. It's all well-founded in the representation theory of the Poincare group and very general (and that's the problem with this books as a first introduction to relativistic QFT). Complementary at the same level is

A. Duncan, The conceptual framework of quantum field
theory, Oxford University Press, Oxford (2012).
 
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  • #225
You forgot Coleman's lectures. If you are limited to 15 books, substitute Zee's Nutshell with Coleman's much better book (though having at least the same degree of wit and entertainment in it as Zee's ;-)).
 
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  • #226
I warn against Griffiths QM book. Given the many confused students in this forum, it's a bit too sloppy!
 
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vanhees71 said:
I warn against Griffiths QM book. Given the many confused students in this forum, it's a bit too sloppy!
Yeah, I agree. Having read Sakurai's Modern QM recently, I can say that it's way better than Griffiths.
 
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  • #228
vanhees71 said:
I warn against Griffiths QM book. Given the many confused students in this forum, it's a bit too sloppy!
As is his Electrodynamics book....
 
  • #229
Dr Transport said:
As is his Electrodynamics book....
What do you recommend then for e&m at a similar level.
 
  • #230
Falgun said:
What do you recommend then for e&m at a similar level.
Wangsness....
 
  • #231
3 parts of Walter Thirring's Mathematical Physics is very comprehensive book, the same with Walter Rudin and exceptional Analysis by Krzysztof Maurin.
 
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I've had Borwein and Borowski's Dictionary of Mathematics. Literally that, an alphabetical listing of Mathematical terms, with some additional resources, mostly links, edit: and tables of constants, integrals. A great book.
 
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I took my tape measure and went to the library of my university :biggrin::biggrin:, here are some very thick textbooks I have found:
Morse Theoretical Acoustics
deSalit Feshbach Theoretical Nuclear Physics
Milne Thomson Theoretical Hydrodynamics.
 
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  • #234
Mechanics:
Classical Mechanics By Desloge (Elementary)
Classical Mechanics By Goldstein (Advanced)
Mathematical Methods Of Classical Mechanics By Arnold (More Advanced)

Electrodynamics:
Introduction To Electrodynamics By Griffith (Elementary)
Classical Electromagnetism By Ohanian (Elementary)
Principles Of Electrodynamics By Schwartz (Almost Advenced)
Classical Electromagnetism By Frankein (Advenced)
Classical Electrodynamics By Jackson (Advanced)
Classical Electromagnetism By Schwinger (Advenced)

Quantum Mechanics:
Introduction To Quantum mechanics By Griffiths (Elementary)
Quantum Mechanics By Zettili (Elementary)
Lectures On Quantum Mechanics - Mathematical & Structural Foundations By Isham (Elementary)
Quantum Mechanics By Cohen (Advanced)
Quantum Mechanics By Kramers (Advanced)
Quantum Mechanics By Ballentin (Advanced)
Quantum Mechanics By Schwinger (More Advanced)
Quantum Kinematics & Dynamics By Schwinger (More More Advanced)
Geometry Of Quantum Theory By Varadarajan (More More Advanced)

Quantum Field Theory:
Quantum Field Theory In A Nutshell By Zee (Elementary)
Quantum Field Theory By Ryder (Elementary)
Quantum Field Theory By Srednicki (Elementary)
Field Theory - A Modern Primer By Ramond (Almost Advanced)
Relativistic Quantum Mechanics & Field Theory By Franz Gross (Advanced)
Quantum Field Theory By Zeidler (Sofar As I Know, 2 Volume From This 6 Volume Epic Published, Vol I - Basic In Mathematics & Physics, Vol II - Quantum Electrodynamics) (Advanced)
The Global Approach To Quantum Field Theory By Bryce Dwitt (More More Advanced - This Is An Epic Book By A Great Physicist)


Here is another list of textbooks with what the author considered about them it is written in this forum in 2005, I will leave the link to the original thread. https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/thread-on-book-recommendations.66463/
Since the author seems studied all these textbooks and from Iran, I understand he is Nima-Arkani Hamed 😅😅 (Just kidding)... I added it here, since it may help in building this list of bibles.
 
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Sadly, professor Zeidler passed away in 2016, so his original plan of writing comprehensive treatises fell halfway short. If I am not mistaking, there are 3 volumes of the 6 originally intended. Similarly, back in the '80s, the math.phys series by Reed and Simon was also planned for many volumes, but written were only 4.
 
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Demystifier said:
- quantum mechanics:
Surprisingly, I don't know which of the standard QM textbooks would deserve this title.
Hello

There is a new 4 volume textbook on QM Oliver Tennert, I think it deserves to get a look.
I am not sure whether or not it has translated from German yet.

Sincerely
 
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A very interesting thread. World it possible to condense its content in the first post?
Kind of like an index to make it easier to find what you're looking for within this multipage thread.

Or maybe opening a parallel locked thread that uses this one as its source.
It'd have the date from which it was updated last from this source material.
Also where in this post was mentioned in case people want to read more context about the recommendation.
I'd open the thread myself if you think the idea is worth it. I'd try not to add any personal bias. Just take the information from here and summarize it if possible.
 
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  • #238
Juanda said:
A very interesting thread. World it possible to condense its content in the first post?
Kind of like an index to make it easier to find what you're looking for
If you think this thread is too much to take on, have a look at the Fukushima threads. The first one got so long there's a part two.

Makes me wonder if this summarizing is something that an AI could usefully do.
 
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  • #239
Juanda said:
A very interesting thread. World it possible to condense its content in the first post?
Kind of like an index to make it easier to find what you're looking for within this multipage thread.

Or maybe opening a parallel locked thread that uses this one as its source.
It'd have the date from which it was updated last from this source material.
Also where in this post was mentioned in case people want to read more context about the recommendation.
I'd open the thread myself if you think the idea is worth it. I'd try not to add any personal bias. Just take the information from here and summarize it if possible.
If that is a task you want to do, you should PM @Greg Bernhardt

There is the issue of whether some of suggestions meet the definition of bible.
 
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Juanda said:
A very interesting thread. World it possible to condense its content in the first post?
Kind of like an index to make it easier to find what you're looking for within this multipage thread.

Or maybe opening a parallel locked thread that uses this one as its source.
It'd have the date from which it was updated last from this source material.
Also where in this post was mentioned in case people want to read more context about the recommendation.
I'd open the thread myself if you think the idea is worth it. I'd try not to add any personal bias. Just take the information from here and summarize it if possible.

I ended up opening a parallel thread using this one as its source.
This is the thread:
List of STEM Masterworks. THE SUMMARY.

There is an online spreadsheet in there where I tried to gather all the recommendations from this thread.

By the way, while compiling all the books I realized there is a heavy focus on Physics. Especially quantum physics.

As a mechanical engineer, I'd love to see more books related to my field. My experience is very limited so my judgment for Bibles/Masterworks isn't the best but I'd recommend some books I found particularly useful and nice to read lately. I'd say they're readable by undergrads which is my level of education at the moment.
  • Yunus A. Çengel, Michael A. Boles, Mehmet Kanoglu - Thermodynamics_ An Engineering Approach-McGraw Hill (2023)
  • Richard G. Budynas, Keith J. Nisbett - Shigley's Mechanical Engineering Design in SI Units-McGraw-Hill Education (2021)
  • (McGraw-Hill professional engineering. Mechanical engineering) John H. Bickford - An Introduction to the Design and Behavior of Bolted Joints, Third Edition
 
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  • #241
Florian Geyer said:
Hello

There is a new 4 volume textbook on QM Oliver Tennert, I think it deserves to get a look.
I am not sure whether or not it has translated from German yet.

Sincerely
Thanks a lot Florian!

Actually, it is currently being translated into English, but don't expect the volumes to be out before mid of 2025...

Cheers
 
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  • #242
Canonical Quantum gravity: Modern Canonical Quantum General Relativity by Thomas Thiemann
 
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General relativity, in particular the singularity theorems: The large scale structure of space-time by S. W. Hawking and G. F. R. Ellis
 
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FourEyedRaven said:
I've been meaning to post this bible of topos theory for ages:

"Sketches of an Elephant: A Topos Theory Compendium", by Peter T. Johnstone

https://www.amazon.com/dp/019852496X/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I should have added this crucial information. This compendium is not finished. There's a 3rd volume that was supposed to be published but, at this point, I don't know if we'll ever see it.

Another crucial information, the most complete and clearest textbook on topos theory is
"Sheaves in Geometry and Logic", by MacLane and Moerdijk
 

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