LM317 LDO pin compat replacement for CC op?

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The discussion revolves around finding a pin-compatible replacement for the LM317 linear voltage regulator that has a lower dropout voltage, particularly for use in constant current applications. Participants explore various alternatives and express concerns about the dropout voltage calculations in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant uses the LM317 in constant current mode and seeks a replacement with a lower dropout voltage, mentioning the LM1086 as a potential option but noting the need for further testing.
  • Another participant suggests the TPS73401 from TI as a variable LDO but points out its availability only in SMT packages, raising the possibility of using adapter boards to match the LM317 pinout.
  • A different participant shares their experience designing a discrete regulator circuit with a PNP pass transistor to address dropout issues, indicating a potential alternative approach to the problem.
  • There is a question about how dropout voltage is calculated in constant current mode, specifically whether the reference voltage should be included in the total dropout calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a specific replacement for the LM317, and multiple competing views and approaches are presented regarding the design and calculation of dropout voltage.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the dropout voltage calculations and the specific requirements for pin compatibility, indicating that further exploration and testing are needed.

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Hi. I use an LM317 in constant current mode to vary the current from ~20ma to ~400ma, the voltage use is about 3 to 5. I just don't like that there's a 3 volt drop out for the 317 design.

I'm wondering if anyone knows of any pin compatible replacements with a lower drop out? I wouldn't mind if I had to pay 1 or 2 $ each.

I'm trying the LM1086, but I have not done extensive tests to see the benefits yet. They're supposed to have a lower drop. I like the specs of the LM2941, but they don't seem to make them in TO-220 3-pin. The pin distance needs to be the same as the 317 (~2.54mm hole pattern) and preferably a drop in replacement.

Also, I'm not sure how the drop out is calculated for the voltage regulators used in constant current mode. Do you have to account for the 1.25 reference voltage used plus the rated drop out? For example, a chip rated at 1 volt drop out in CC mode. Would the drop out be 2.25 for the whole design?
 
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The LM317 is a 3-terminal adjustable regulator. Many years ago I had a similar problem, and I realized that the mfgr was probably using a NPN pass transistor which requires another transistor (probably a PNP common emitter) to pull the base up, as well as having the base-emitter voltage drop in the pass transistor. I designed a discrete regulator circuit with a PNP pass transistor, thus being able to pull the base down, and eliminating the base emitter drop because the output is the collector and the DC input is the emitter..
 
berkeman said:
TI has a variable LDO:

http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tps73401.html

But it looks like it only comes in SMT packages. Can you make little adapter boardlets (like "Surf Boards") to get you to the LM317 pinout?

A "surf board" does sound nice. But way too much labor involved for what I'm looking for, as I deal with hundreds of LM317s. Has anyone done tests on the LM1086 or something similar?
 

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