Local flatness at r = 0 for star interior spacetime

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The discussion centers on the conditions at r = 0 for a static, spherically symmetric interior star solution, particularly in relation to the Schwarzschild interior solution and the implications of local flatness on the metric coefficients g_rr and g_tt.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that enforcing local flatness leads to the conclusion that the radial metric coefficient g_rr is 1 at the origin, questioning how this relates to g_tt.
  • Another participant suggests that g_rr = 1 can be understood through embedding diagrams, indicating that at the center, the curved surface and the plane are parallel, thus dr = ds.
  • A different participant expresses surprise at the result that g_rr is 1 at the origin, mentioning a theorem that states spacetime inside a spherically symmetric mass distribution is flat, which they believe supports this conclusion.
  • A later reply raises a question about the nature of flatness in spacetime inside a generic spherical mass, indicating a potential challenge to the idea of non-local flatness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the implications of local flatness for g_tt, and there are differing views on the nature of flatness in the context of spherically symmetric mass distributions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the relationship between local and non-local properties of spacetime metrics, and the discussion references specific theorems without full exploration of their implications.

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Hi All,

I am interested in the discussion in section 10.5 of Schutz's First Course in GR book. Specifically, the conditions at r = 0 of a static, spherically symmetric interior star (or whatever) solution e.g. Schwarzschild interior solution.

He argues that by enforcing local flatness one finds that the radial metric coefficient g_rr is 1 at the origin. Is there some way one can argue as to what the g_tt (g_00 as he writes) would be at the origin? Analysis of specific interiors shows that it is not 1, which makes sense as otherwise there would be no time dilation and thus, to an external observer, no potential. In fact it seems to me quite remarkable that g_rr should be 1 at the origin.

Any tips?
Cheers,
Z
 
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FunkyDwarf said:
He argues that by enforcing local flatness one finds that the radial metric coefficient g_rr is 1 at the origin. Is there some way one can argue as to what the g_tt (g_00 as he writes) would be at the origin?

g_rr = 1 can be understood intuitively from embedding diagrams of a 2D spatial slice. It relates the radial distance ds on the curved surface (proper radial distance), and its projection on the plane dr(Schwarzschild radial coordinate difference):

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At the center the curved surface and the plane are parallel so dr = ds:

220px-Schwarzschild_interior.jpg


g_tt is not that simple, because it is not local. It relates the local proper time to a distant observer's time. You have to combine the interior and exterior metric to find it.
 
FunkyDwarf said:
In fact it seems to me quite remarkable that g_rr should be 1 at the origin.

I don't have Schutz's book so I don't know if he mentions the theorem that spacetime inside a spherically symmetric mass distribution is flat; but that theorem is enough to show that g_rr = 1 at r = 0 for a spherically symmetric massive object.
 
Thanks A.T., the non-locality part is I guess what I was looking for.

PeterDonis: How can spacetime be flat (except locally) inside a generic spherical mass?
 

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