Locus of light falling on a plane surface

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The discussion revolves around the geometric shapes formed by light falling on surfaces, specifically focusing on hyperbolas and conic sections. Participants explore the relationship between light sources, lenses, and the resulting patterns on various surfaces, including walls and the bottoms of cups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes that light from a lamp on a wall forms a hyperbola and seeks an explanation for this phenomenon.
  • Another participant suggests that the shape is due to the intersection of a cone of light with a plane, noting that different angles can produce various conic sections, including hyperbolas, parabolas, and ellipses.
  • There is a mention of lenses being ground with spherical surfaces, which may also lead to hyperbolic patterns, though this is not verified in detail.
  • A participant points out a different pattern formed by light from a point source at the bottom of a cylindrical cup, indicating that it does not produce a conic section.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between light, conic sections, and the geometric shapes formed, but there is no consensus on the specifics of how these shapes arise in different contexts, particularly regarding the lens and the cylindrical cup.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the setup, such as the shape of the light source and the angles involved, are not fully detailed. The discussion also lacks verification of the claims regarding lenses and their effects on light patterns.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying optics, geometry, or anyone curious about the behavior of light and its interaction with different surfaces and shapes.

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When there is a lamp on a wall and the light from the lamp falls on the wall, we notice that the shape formed by the light is a hyperbola. I would like to know what the explanation for this is.
Also, when you have a convex lens and you kee it flat on a horizontal surface, and sunlight falls at an angle on to the lens, you can see a curve of light on the surface that looks to me very much like a hyperbola.
A hyperbola is the locus of a point moving such that the difference of its distances from two fixed points is constant. That makes sense when you're wondering why the locus of an interference pattern should be a hyperbola, because the path difference is constant. But I can't relate this to the phenomenon of light falling on a wall, or the lens thing.
Thanks in advance!
 
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I assume the light has a shade with a circular opening.
The light passing through the opening projects a cone.
The intersection of a cone with a plane produces various "conic sections" depending on the angle.
If the axis of the shade's opening is parallel to the wall then you will see a hyperbola.
If you tilt the shade down so as to direct the light more fully onto the wall, at a critical angle (i.e. when the light falling furthest from the wall is going straight down) it becomes a parabola.
Tilt a fraction more and you have an ellipse.

In general, conic sections are the curves that satisfy quadratic equations. The locus of intersection of a cone with a plane will also satisfy a quadratic equation. And the locus of a point that's always further from one fixed point than another by a constant amount is also a quadratic equation.

Lenses are ground with spherical surfaces - more quadratics. So it wouldn't surprise me if that also gives you hyperbolae, though I haven't checked it in detail.

Btw, have you noticed the pattern light from a point source forms at the bottom of a cylindrical cup? No conic this time.
 
Thank you so much! This explained things perfectly. I will try to check out the light source at the bottom of a spherical cup. :)
 
hale2bopp said:
Thank you so much! This explained things perfectly. I will try to check out the light source at the bottom of a spherical cup. :)
Actually I said cylindrical, the usual shape for a mug, and the light source is outside the mug. It's the pattern produced at the bottom that's interesting.
 

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