Looking for rigorous General Chemistry textbook

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the search for a rigorous general chemistry textbook suitable for review and tutoring purposes. Participants explore various textbook options and the desired level of mathematical rigor in chemistry education.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need for a general chemistry book that offers a more mathematically rigorous approach than the Zumdahl text previously used.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "rigorous mathematically" in the context of chemistry, suggesting that if mathematical rigor is the goal, a math text might be more appropriate.
  • A participant mentions that the Zumdahl text is suitable for introductory chemistry but feels it is somewhat easy, indicating a desire for a more serious text.
  • One suggestion made is the Physical Chemistry textbook by Atkins, which approaches chemistry from a thermodynamics perspective but acknowledges that no chemistry book will be as proof-based as a physics text.
  • Another participant suggests checking what textbook students will be using for homework problems to better prepare for tutoring.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on what constitutes a "rigorous" chemistry text, and there are competing views on the appropriateness of different textbooks and approaches to studying chemistry.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexity of deriving chemical behavior from fundamental principles, noting that chemistry often relies on accepted principles rather than rigorous mathematical proofs.

Loststudent22
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I'm going to be tutoring next semester and I need a good general chemistry book to review. I used an old copy of zumdahl during general chemistry(not assigned text but worked fine) but I want a fresh look at the subject that is a little more rigorous mathematically especially. After a year of organic chemistry I must admit my general chemistry is a little weak despite having done well when I took the class so I'll have the summer to review it to be ready to tutor it next fall. I also plan to use this to help when I take physical chemistry a year from now.

Thanks for any suggestions, if nothing else I'll just work through a few problem sets from my zumdahl text and go through the ACS general study guide. Though I do like the subject a lot so any good textbooks especially since my text is quite old would be nice.
 
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Loststudent22 said:
I need a good general chemistry book to review ... but I want a fresh look at the subject that is a little more rigorous mathematically especially.

It's not clear what you mean by wanting a chemistry text which is "a little more rigorous mathematically."

If one is looking for mathematical rigor, I would suggest you consult a math text.

If you are looking to brush up on your chemistry knowledge and skill at working out the solution to certain problems in chemistry, then there are texts which contain plenty of problems on which you can practice.

Here is one such possibility:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/007181082X/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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I guess I was wondering if their was a more serious chemistry text then the zumdahl which was a little on the easy side I felt. It was great for a first introduction though.

I think your right that just working problems will be the quick way to get back up to speed, thanks for the text suggestion I think I will pick it up since its very cheap. If I do around 15 problems a day I should finish the book over the summer easily also.
 
The Physical Chemistry textbook by Atkins might be what you are looking for.

It does chemistry but starts out with thermodynamics, and works off from that. It still kind of starts at the basics, but has an approach very different from a real introductory chemistry text.

Anyway, no chemistry book will be proof-based and mathematically rigorous in a way a physics book might be. It just becomes way too complex to derive the behavior of real molecules by solving Schrödinger's, and build the chemistry of a book on that. To do real chemistry one needs to lay down basic rules, for which it isn't shown how they are based on math and physics, and just accept these principles of chemistry.
 
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Why not find out what text the students will be using for homework problems? That way you'll be ready for whatever they throw at you
 

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