Loop falling in a magnetic field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a conducting circular loop with resistance falling in a magnetic field and gravitational field. Participants explore how the position (z) and current in the loop change over time, while also considering the implications of the loop being superconducting.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a mathematical model for the motion of the loop, including the effects of gravitational and magnetic forces, and seeks validation and suggestions.
  • Another participant expresses agreement with the initial model but does not verify the details.
  • A participant specifically inquires about the behavior of the loop if it were superconducting, indicating a shift in the physical properties involved.
  • There is a proposition that a superconducting loop would exclude the magnetic field, leading to no induced current and consequently no magnetic force acting on it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the initial model presented for the conducting loop, but there is uncertainty regarding the implications of superconductivity, with differing views on whether a superconducting loop would experience induced current or magnetic forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the assumptions regarding the behavior of magnetic fields in superconductors, nor have they resolved the mathematical implications of the proposed models.

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Readers interested in electromagnetic theory, dynamics of conducting materials in magnetic fields, and the properties of superconductors may find this discussion relevant.

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There is a conducting circular loop with resistance R falling in the magnetic field \vec{B}=B_\rho(\rho,z)\hat\rho+B_z(\rho,z)\hat z and gravitational field \vec g=-g\hat z. How does z and the current in the loop change in time?(assume the loop remains horizontal!)
The flux through the loop is \int_0^a\int_0^{2\pi} B_z \rho d\varphi d\rho, Its time derivative is \int_0^a \int_0^{2\pi} \frac{\partial B_z}{\partial z} \frac{dz}{dt} \rho d\varphi d\rho and so the induced current is I=\frac{1}{R} \int_0^a \int_0^{2\pi} \frac{\partial B_z}{\partial z} \frac{dz}{dt} \rho d\varphi d\rho. Now we can write the z component of the magnetic force as -\frac{2\pi a B_\rho}{R} \int_0^a \int_0^{2\pi} \frac{\partial B_z}{\partial z} \frac{dz}{dt} \rho d\varphi d\rho. So we have:
<br /> <br /> \ddot z=-g-\frac{dz}{dt}\frac{4\pi^2 a B_\rho}{m R} \int_0^a \frac{\partial B_z}{\partial z} \rho d\rho<br /> <br />
Which gives us z as a function of time and then I can be calculated easily.

1- Is everything OK?
2-Any hints or suggestions or further explanations?
3-How does this change if the loop is superconducting?

Thanks
 
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Looks good to me. I've not checked the details.
 
My main question is the third. What should I do if the loop is superconducting?
 
Is it right to say that the superconducting loop excludes the magnetic field and so there will be no induced current and so no magnetic force is applied to it?
 

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