Lorentz scalars - transformation of a scalar field

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The discussion revolves around the transformation properties of a scalar field under Lorentz transformations between two reference frames, ##S## and ##S'##. Participants explore the implications of these transformations on the functional forms of the scalar field in different frames and the invariance of its values at corresponding points.

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  • One participant describes how a scalar field ##\phi (x)## transforms under a Lorentz transformation, noting that the field retains the same value at corresponding points in different frames, despite having different functional forms.
  • Another participant seeks confirmation on whether the transformation leads to different functional forms of the scalar field in frames ##S## and ##S'##, while maintaining the same numerical value at corresponding points.
  • Responses affirm that the physical identification of a point is based on the value of the scalar field, not its coordinates, which may change under transformation.

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Participants generally agree on the transformation properties of the scalar field and the notion that while the functional forms differ in the two frames, the values at corresponding points remain the same. No significant disagreement is noted.

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When one considers a Lorentz transformation between two frames ##S## and ##S'##, such that the coordinates in ##S## are given by ##x^{\mu}## and the coordinates in ##S'## are given by ##x'^{\mu}##, with the two related by x'^{\mu}=\Lambda^{\mu}_{\;\;\nu}x^{\nu} then a scalar field ##\phi (x)## relative to ##S## transforms as \phi '(x')=\phi (x)\qquad\text{or}\qquad\phi '(x)=\phi (\Lambda^{-1}x) where ##\phi '(x')## is the form of the scalar field relative to the frame ##S'##. Clearly, as it is a scalar it is a Lorentz invariant quantity.

My question (albeit a simple one, so apologies for that) is, when we transform the coordinates from those defined in ##S## to those defined in ##S'## (i.e. ##x\rightarrow x'##), am I understanding it correctly that the field transforms as ##\phi\rightarrow\phi '##, such that it has a different functional form in the two different frames, ##S## and ##S'##, but in such a way that when evaluated at a given point ##p##, then it has the same value in both frames? (That is, if a point ##p## has coordinates ##x^{\mu}## in ##S## and coordinates ##x'^{\mu}## in ##S'## then ##\phi '(x')=\phi (x)##, however, the functional form of ##\phi## will be different to the functional form of ##\phi '##)
 
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"Don't panic!" said:
am I understanding it correctly that the field transforms as ##\phi\rightarrow\phi'##, such that it has a different functional form in the two different frames, ##S## and ##S'##, but in such a way that when evaluated at a given point ##p##, then it has the same value in both frames? (That is, if a point ##p## has coordinates ##x^{\mu}## in ##S## and coordinates ##x'^{\mu}## in ##S'## then ##\phi '(x')=\phi (x)##, however, the functional form of ##\phi## will be different to the functional form of ##\phi'##)

Yes, this is how it works. Another way to put it is that the point ##p##, physically, is identified by the value of physical quantities there, such as ##\phi##; its coordinates may change but the physical values do not.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Yes, this is how it works. Another way to put it is that the point pp, physically, is identified by the value of physical quantities there, such as ϕ\phi; its coordinates may change but the physical values do not.

Ok great, thanks for confirming this. Is what I put about ##\phi## and ##\phi '## being different functional forms of the scalar field (relative to the two different reference frames ##S## and ##S'## respectively), but having the same numerical value at each point correct?
 
"Don't panic!" said:
Is what I put about ##\phi## and ##\phi '## being different functional forms of the scalar field (relative to the two different reference frames ##S## and ##S'## respectively), but having the same numerical value at each point correct?

Yes.
 
OK, great. Thanks for your help! ☺
 

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