Lorentz Transformation in One-Dimensional Space

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The discussion revolves around the application of Lorentz transformations in a one-dimensional space, particularly in relation to Einstein's postulate of the speed of light. Participants explore whether the principles of special relativity, including the relativity of simultaneity, can be effectively demonstrated and derived in a one-dimensional context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether Lorentz transformations can be derived in a one-dimensional space, noting that traditional derivations often involve at least two dimensions.
  • Another participant asserts that a one-dimensional derivation is possible, referencing Einstein's work and emphasizing the need for coordinate transformations that maintain the speed of light as constant in different frames.
  • A participant challenges the assertion regarding the reduction of the light cone description, suggesting that the space-time intervals still involve square roots, contrary to an earlier claim.
  • Further discussion introduces the concept of a larger group of transformations, specifically the conformal group, in the context of one-dimensional transformations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of deriving Lorentz transformations in one dimension, with some asserting it is possible while others maintain that traditional derivations necessitate multiple dimensions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in the assumptions made about dimensionality and the nature of space-time intervals, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of the Lorentz transformations.

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If space only had one dimension would Einstein's speed of light postulate still lead to Lorentz transformation for motion along that one dimension?
Relativity of simultaneity can obviously be demonstrated in one dimension (lightning bolts hitting opposite ends of stationary and moving train). But all derivations of the Lorentz transformation seem to require at least a second space dimension (i.e. the familiar light clock and Einsteins original 1905 paper) in order to obtain the Lorentz factor. Also, description of light cone:
c2dt2=dx2+dy2+dz2 reduces to
cdt=dx so space-time intervals would no longer have the square roots of squares involved.
 
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the_emi_guy said:
But all derivations of the Lorentz transformation seem to require at least a second space dimension
It's easy to do a one-dimensional derivation; there's one by Einstein in the appendix of his book "Relativity: The special and general theory".

Basically we're looking for coordinate transformations such that ##x\pm{c}t=0## implies ##x'\pm{c}t'=0##, which is to say the speed of light is ##c## in both frames.
 
the_emi_guy said:
Also, description of light cone:
c2dt2=dx2+dy2+dz2 reduces to
cdt=dx so space-time intervals would no longer have the square roots of squares involved.
Yes it would. You are missing one root by asserting c dt = dx.
 
Thanks, this is what I was looking for.
 
Nugatory said:
It's easy to do a one-dimensional derivation; there's one by Einstein in the appendix of his book "Relativity: The special and general theory".

Basically we're looking for coordinate transformations such that ##x\pm{c}t=0## implies ##x'\pm{c}t'=0##, which is to say the speed of light is ##c## in both frames.
Then you are let even to a larger group of transformations, namely the whole conformel group!
 

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