Low voltage switching of a pump, on a countdown

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The discussion centers on the need for a timer relay to control a recirculating pump for hot water systems. The user experienced failures with a commercial product and seeks to replicate its functionality using low voltage wires from a valve. The recommended solution is a NOTO-type timer relay, which can be sourced from local electrical stores or online retailers like Digi-Key, where over 1300 options are available ranging from $16 to $2,500 USD. The user emphasizes the importance of hiring a licensed electrician for installation due to the risks associated with 110V systems.

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New member here. This might be the coolest subject for a forum I've seen in awhile (that probably sounds like robot spam). On to business...

I have been scr*wed by a succession of people over our home's improperly plumbed hot water. It takes forever to get hot water to the faucets. I bought a product to fix that. It uses a valve plumbed into the water heater outgoing line to detect movement of hot water, and it then switches on a recirculating pump to push water around the circuit (so turn water on/off, wait a minute, poof, hot water is there). The pump shuts off after 2 minutes. Of course, the electronics soon failed. The company owner is a nightmare, so I am on my own.

The valve mentioned above has two low voltage wires that complete a circuit when the hot water moves. I want to replicate what the product did, by taking those two wires and connecting them to... something... that will switch power to the pump on (it's 110v) when the circuit is complete, and keep it on for 2 minutes.

Thanks in advance for any ideas!
 
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110Volts can kill. You need a licensed electrician to install it.

What you need is a timer relay:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relay
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_4/chpt_5/3.html
Presumably of the NOTO type

Your local electrical store will probably have some in stock. They are used to delay bathroom extractor fans to stay on after the light is switched off among other things. If you shop around on the internet you could find cheaper ones. There are over 1300 timer relays ranging from $16 to $2.5k USD here:

http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/relays/time-delay-relays/1049305
 
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billy_joule said:
110Volts can kill. You need a licensed electrician to install it.

What you need is a timer relay:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relay
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_4/chpt_5/3.html
Presumably of the NOTO type

Your local electrical store will probably have some in stock. They are used to delay bathroom extractor fans to stay on after the light is switched off among other things. If you shop around on the internet you could find cheaper ones. There are over 1300 timer relays ranging from $16 to $2.5k USD here:

http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/relays/time-delay-relays/1049305

Thanks. I've done a lot of electrical work, just none of this type -- I get the dangers for sure.

The NOTO makes sense. I'm not even sure there's an electrical store around. Everyone seems to source at Home Depot now. :-(
 
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