Maclaurin series for integrals

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The discussion revolves around finding the first three nonzero terms of the Maclaurin series for the integral of the function \( \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+\ln(x)}} \) from 1 to \( 1+\sin(x) \). Participants are exploring the challenges associated with the Maclaurin series, particularly due to the logarithmic function's behavior at zero.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the difficulty of applying the Maclaurin series to \( \ln(x) \) due to its undefined nature at zero. Some suggest rewriting the integral in terms of a dummy variable to clarify the limits and behavior of the logarithm. Others explore differentiation as a potential method to find the series terms, while questioning the necessity of integration in this context.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including substitution and differentiation. Some participants have provided insights into rewriting the integral and evaluating derivatives, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed. The discussion remains productive with various interpretations being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the range of integration is near 1, which affects the behavior of \( \ln(t) \). There is also mention of the complexity introduced by the logarithmic function and the challenges in integrating or differentiating the expression to derive the Maclaurin series.

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Heres the question: write the first three nonzero terms (Maclaurin Series)

\int^{1+sinx}_{1}(1/(sqrt{(1+ln(x))})dx



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so for the similar questions, i use maclaurin series for common functions (you can see it from this website http://mathworld.wolfram.com/MaclaurinSeries.html" )
for this question, i tried to start with lnx, but from what i searched online, there is no maclaurin series for lnx (because it is not defined at 0), so now i am stuck. also, i tried to inegrate just the function itself, but it seems impossible.
if lnx does not have a maclaurin series, that function does not have a maclaurin series?
 
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Hi bobthetomato - welcome to PF ;)

I think the notation is a little confusing, does it help if you re-write in terms of a dummy variable?
f(x) = \int^{1+sinx}_{1} \frac{du}{\sqrt{1+ln(u)}}

note the intergal is over u from 1 to 1 + sin(x), so the ln(u) doesn't blow up

then you can differntiate w.r.t. x to find each term, which could be a little tricky...
 
thank your lanedance, that function looks better now.
i don't understand, why do i need to differentiate it? can i integrate the whole thing? but if i integrate the equation, i won't get maclaurin series (first three terms).

this is what i tried:

since there is a series for ln(1-x) = -x-(x^2/2)-...

let x=1-t

ln(1-(1-t))=-(1-t)-((1-t)^2/2)-...

ln(t)=-(1-t)-((1-t)^2/2)-...

but if i continue to do it, it becomes complicated and hard to differentiate

1+ln(t)= t-((1-t)^2/2)-...

1/(1+ln(t))^(1/2)= 1/(t-((1-t)^2/2)-...)^(1/2)

i stopped here because i do not know how to integrate this function.
 
Can someone please help me? This is only a university first year math question, so I think it shouldn't be that hard.

Here is the question again...
<br /> f(x) = \int^{1+sinx}_{1} \frac{dt}{\sqrt{1+ln(t)}}<br />

so i think substitution is the right place to start.

as the range of integration is near 1 (because 1+sinx can range from 1 to 2), ln(t) will not blow up.

so i set x=(1-t)

\ln(1-x) = -x - \frac{x^{2}}{2} - \frac{x^{3}}{3}+...

if i substitute 1-t into all the x

\ln(1-(1-t)) = -(1-t) - \frac{(1-t)^{2}}{2} - \frac{(1-t)^{3}}{3}+...

and then it turns out like this

\ln(t) = -1+t - \frac{(1-t)^{2}}{2} - \frac{(1-t)^{3}}{3}+...

now if I add 1 to the whole equation

\ 1 + ln(t) = 1 -1+t - \frac{(1-t)^{2}}{2} - \frac{(1-t)^{3}}{3}+...

which will equal to

\ 1 + ln(t) = t - \frac{(1-t)^{2}}{2} - \frac{(1-t)^{3}}{3}+...

and now if i square root the whole thing and 1/the whole equation, i will get the this...
oh and i added integrals

<br /> f(x) = \int^{1+sinx}_{1} \frac{dt}{\sqrt{t-\frac{(1-t)^{2}}{2}-\frac{(1-t)^{3}}{3}+...}}<br />

so know i have made it to Maclaurin Series like, i do not know what to do next. How do you simplify and integrate this?
This question is bugging me, please help!
 
sorry if is miss something, tex doesn't display well on this computer..
so you need to evaluate the macluarin sereis of:
f(x) = \int^{1+sinx}_{1} \frac{dt}{\sqrt{1+ln(t)}}

so rather than substituting, expanding etc. why not just evaulate the derivatives
f'(x), f''(x) and evaluate at x = 0. f(0) should be obvious

As an example, consider:
F(x) = \int_0^x du u^2 = \frac{u^3}{3}|_0^x = \frac{x^3}{3}
F&#039;(x) = f(x) = \frac{d}{dx}\int_0^x du u^2 = \frac{d}{dx}\frac{x^3}{3}=x^2
F&#039;&#039;(x) = f&#039;(x) = ...
now all these should be easy to evaluate at x=0, how can you write the maclaurin expansion using those terms? (though its a very trivial expnasion for a single polynomial, but its the method that is important here)
 
PS if its still not clear have a look at the definition of maclaurin series in terms of derivatives of the function
 

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