Magnetic field around a wire ?

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The discussion centers on the magnetic field around a current-carrying wire wrapped in dielectric material and the implications of using Ampere's Law in different regions. It is noted that outside the dielectric, Ampere's Law can be applied directly to find the B field, while inside the dielectric, the H field must be considered along with the material's magnetic susceptibility. When a superconductor is introduced, the scenario becomes complex due to the Meissner effect, which expels the magnetic field, resulting in zero B field outside the superconductor. The conversation suggests that boundary conditions change with the presence of surface currents in the superconductor, necessitating a more detailed analysis using differential equations. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the need for careful consideration of boundary conditions and material properties when analyzing magnetic fields in these contexts.
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Lets say we have an infinite current carrying wire and it is wrapped with a dielectric materiel.
Lets say the dielectric is 1 cm in diameter around the wire. But let's say I want to find the B field when I am outside the dielectric, Could I just use amperes law . And when I am inside the dielectric I would use the H field and then get B by using the magnetic susceptibility of the material . Is this correct .
 
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Off the top of my head I think you can just use the standard magnetic field equation for an infinite wire. The boundary conditions require that the tangential H field be continuous. Since the B field will be described as

\mathbf{B}(\rho) = \frac{\mu I}{2\pi\rho} \hat{\phi}

Since the fields are tangential to the inhomogeneity they will not be affected since they will automatically have continuous H fields. So this is situation where Ampere's Law will give the correct result.
 
Thanks for your response , ok what if i wrapped a superconductor around the wire and cooled it with liquid nitrogen .
And let's say the superconductor goes 1 cm around the wire . Outside the superconductor the B field would be zero , Would amperes law still work?
 
cragar said:
Thanks for your response , ok what if i wrapped a superconductor around the wire and cooled it with liquid nitrogen .
And let's say the superconductor goes 1 cm around the wire . Outside the superconductor the B field would be zero , Would amperes law still work?

That one gets tricky. First, there have to be currents excited over the surface of the conductor to expel the applied field. This changes the boundary conditions because now the tangential H fields is related to the surface currents. In addition, it is my recollection that the Meissner effect requires extra stipulations on Maxwell's Equations. For example, if we were to solve for a static magnetic field applied in the presence of a perfect electrical conductor, then the solution only states that the field inside the PEC has to be constant. What this constant field is can be zero or the applied field depending upon how you look at the conditions of the problem I believe. However, with a superconductor there are added conditions that remove this ambiguity and ensure that the result is no magnetic field.

Perhaps the best thing to do would be to find the differential equations describing a static magnetic field excited by a static current. Then derive a list of boundary equations dictated by your superconductor and dielectrics and use these in conjunction with your differential equation and solve. This would be similar to, for example, solving the Poisson equation to find the electrostatic field.
 
wow , thanks for your answer .
 
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