Magnetic field through ferrous material and across air gap

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This discussion focuses on the behavior of magnetic fields through ferrous materials and air gaps, specifically in the context of a closed steel cylinder with a steel piston and an external stainless steel cylinder. The user aims to gauge the position of a magnet attached to the piston without using electrical signals, relying instead on mechanical means. Key insights include the importance of magnetic permeability, with the relative permeability of steel being μ/μ0 = 100, and the realization that the magnetic field strength diminishes when passing through materials like carbon steel, as evidenced by Gauss meter readings. The suggestion to switch from steel to PVC for improved sensor accuracy is also highlighted.

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  • Understanding of magnetic field concepts, specifically B (Tesla) and permeability.
  • Familiarity with materials science, particularly the differences between ferrous and non-ferrous materials.
  • Knowledge of Hall effect sensors and their applications in position measurement.
  • Basic principles of magnetism, including the continuity of magnetic fields across boundaries.
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  • Research the effects of magnetic permeability on field strength in various materials.
  • Explore the use of PVC as an alternative to ferrous materials in magnetic applications.
  • Investigate the principles of magnetic field redistribution in cylindrical geometries.
  • Learn about the practical applications and limitations of Gauss meters in measuring magnetic fields.
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I am attempting to determine how strong a magnetic field will be on the other side of a thick material and then across an air gap.

For instance, I have a closed steel cylinder with a steel piston inside it. I plan to affix a permanent magnet to one side of the piston (inside the cylinder). I am looking to use another cylindrical magnet that can slide inside a separate stainless steel cylinder mounted outside and parallel to the first. My goal is to gage the position of the steel piston within the steel cylinder by viewing the position of the second magnet through windows in the SS cylinder. It will be necessary to have a small air gap between the two cylinders for mounting purposes. Hopefully this description makes sense. A hall effect sensor would work great to determine the magnet's position but I need a mechanical analogue thus not requiring any electric signal. Precision is not terribly critical, with relative position being more important.

So, I am attempting to calculate the required strength/size/material of the two magnets based on the thickness of the first steel cylinder and the air gap between the two cylinders.

Thanks!
 
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The magnetic field B (Tesla) is continuous (because div B = 0) across boundaries. If it is perpendicular to a surface, the normal component is the same on both sides. Stainless steels are either magnetic (martensitic, 400 series) or non magnetic (austenitic, 300 series).

Bob S
 
Well, after doing some more research, and ordering some expensive magnets, my research seems to disagree with what is being said.

Do materials not have different degrees of magnetic permeability? Remember, in my case the magnetic field must first pass through a carbon-steel cylinder.

Quick checks with a Gauss meter show that the magnetic field is being redistributed through the steel cylinder and is no longer as strong as it would be in free space...

This may not work after all...
 
div B = 0 in vacuum right?

The Relative Permeability of steel μ/μ0 = 100

I guess that means steel permits more than vacuum, which should give you a stronger field.
 
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Only the normal component is continuous. The tangential components of B are discontinous for a material interface of two different permeabilities.

As a practical matter, a steel pipe will prevent your sensor from making an accurate position measurement. Switch to PVC and you will be in fine shape.
 

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