Magnetic flux with non-uniform magnetic field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of magnetic flux through a loop in the presence of a non-uniform magnetic field, specifically considering the scenario where the magnetic field decreases with the square of the distance from a moving proton. Participants explore the implications of this non-uniformity and the relevant mathematical frameworks, including the Biot-Savart law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the standard definition of magnetic flux and its calculation under uniform conditions, questioning how this changes with a non-uniform magnetic field.
  • Another participant clarifies that the flux of a vector field is typically discussed through a surface rather than a loop, suggesting methods for calculating the flux integral.
  • There is a discussion about the assumption that the magnetic field decreases with the square of the distance from the moving charge, with one participant confirming this assumption.
  • A participant introduces the Biot-Savart law as a relevant framework for calculating the magnetic field due to a single moving charge.
  • Concerns are raised about the effects of the orientation of the integration surface relative to the proton's velocity and the potential singularities in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and assumptions regarding the magnetic field's behavior and the appropriate mathematical tools to use. There is no clear consensus on the implications of the non-uniform magnetic field or the best approach to calculate the magnetic flux.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential complications arising from non-stationary effects and the dependence of the magnetic field on the angle between the proton's velocity and the position vector. There are also mentions of singularities when choosing certain integration surfaces.

Northprairieman
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Hi there,

You know how magnetic flux through a loop of area A is the integral of B dot dA? If the area is perpendicular to the magnetic field, then we can write the dot product as B dA cos 0 = b dA. Also, if the magnetic field is uniform, the B can be brought out of the integral sign, and then the integral is just dA which is A. Thus, if the magnetic field is uniform and the area is perpendicular to the loop, the magnetic flux is just BA.

What I wanted to know is, what if the magnetic field is not uniform? What if it is decreasing by the square of the distance from the center of the loop? What I was trying to find is the magnetic flux at some distance r caused by a proton moving in a straight line.
 
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The distance r is perpendicular to the proton's straight line path.
 
Hi Northprairieman,

one usually talks of flux of a vector field through a surface rather than through a loop. For a solenoidal field (null divergence) this flux depends only on the edge of the surface so I guess your concept is well-defined for a magnetic field.

The general form of a flux integral for a vector field F is
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occasionally \textbf{n}dS is written as d\textbf{S}; here n is the normal vector to the surface, which in general depends on the position on the surface.

To calculate this integral you have a couple of options:
- parametrize the surface and calculate the resulting 2-dim integral
- if the field is solenoidal, you express the field as curl of the vector potential and use Stokes theorem to transform the surface integral into a line integral on the edge of the surface

I understand that your loop is a circle centered on the moving charge, right?
Did you already calculate the field B or its vector potential?
Let me know if this is clear so far
 
Yes, thanks, that helps a lot. Yes, the loop is a circle centered on the moving charge. Am I right in assuming that the magnetic field decreases with the square of the distance from the moving charge?
 
I realized all I was looking for was the Biot-Savart law for a single particle instead of a current in a wire!
 
Hi,

neglecting non-stationary effects (retarded potentials etc), the magnetic field can be calculated with Lorentz transformations from the electrostatic field. E.g. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_electromagnetism_and_special_relativity"
At low velocity you get
B=v x E' /c^2
where E' is the electrostatic field of the proton

So yes the field falls with r^2 but it is not constant over a sphere of radius r because it depends on the angle between proton velocity and position vector.

In your case, flux could depend on the orientation of the circle (centered on the proton) wrt proton velocity.

Be careful if you were to choose an integration surface through the charge you will end up with a singularity.

The integral over an hemisphere is (very) easy to solve.

Let me know if you need details
 
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Northprairieman said:
I realized all I was looking for was the Biot-Savart law for a single particle instead of a current in a wire!

Yup that works, same result (and same approximation)
 

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