Magnetic force on wires -direction of B

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The discussion revolves around calculating the current required for a third wire to float and form an equilateral triangle with two other wires carrying current into the page. The user initially approaches the problem by analyzing the magnetic field contributions from the two bottom wires, leading to a calculation of 313 A, but later realizes that using forces yields a more accurate result of 237 A. Confusion arises regarding the direction of the magnetic fields and the application of cos(60) in the calculations. The user questions the angle of the magnetic fields, suggesting they are at 60 degrees to the horizontal, which impacts the calculation of the net magnetic field. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the importance of understanding the geometry of the magnetic fields and forces involved in the scenario.
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Homework Statement


Three wires have linear density of 50 g/m. They each carry the same current. The bottom two are 4 cm apart and carry currents into the page. What current I will allow the third wire to float so as to form an equilateral triangle with the other two?


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I think I am really close, but I'm just concerned because I'm having some problems with magnetic field directions and components.

If I start with the magnetic field, I think that the y- components of the magnetic fields of the bottom two wires cancel. So the net B-field is:

2* cos(60) * (1.257*10-6)I / 2pi*.04 = (5*10^-6)I

F=IlBsin(theta) for the force on a current carrying wire

F= I^2 * (5*10-6) * l = (9.8)(.05)*l
I= 313A.

This isn't quite correct, however, I find that if I turn to forces first, and seeing that the bottom two have forces where the x-components cancel.

F = I^2 * l * (5*10-6)*sin(60) = .05*9.8l
I = 237 A This is correct. But I am confused by why the two give different answers.
 
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bcjochim07 said:
2* cos(60) * (1.257*10-6)I / 2pi*.04 = (5*10^-6)I

Where does the cos(60) come from?
 
Isn't the magnetic fields from the bottom wires at an angle of 60 degrees to horizontal? So with cos(60) I am getting the x components from those mag. fields and adding them together.
 
bcjochim07 said:
Isn't the magnetic fields from the bottom wires at an angle of 60 degrees to horizontal?

I'm getting that B is 60 degrees from vertical.
 
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