Magnetic Gloves for scaling skyscrapers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating magnetic gloves or boots that would allow a person to climb metal buildings. Participants explore the necessary forces, materials, and designs required for such a system, incorporating concepts from physics and engineering.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates that a force of about 6533.3 N is needed to stay connected to a metal building, assuming a total weight of 100 kg.
  • Another participant questions the large force requirement and asks about the coefficient of friction used in the calculations.
  • A participant suggests using permanent magnets (PMs) with sliding pole pieces instead of electromagnets, referencing magnetic chucks as a potential model.
  • There are recommendations for using a thin layer of rubber over the magnet to improve grip, although concerns about rubber's performance when wet are raised.
  • Discussion includes the idea that different types of paper, such as cigarette paper, could be used to enhance friction when glued to the magnet's face.
  • One participant shares personal experience regarding the performance of rice papers in wet conditions, suggesting they may not be suitable.
  • Another participant elaborates on the behavior of materials and how they interact with surfaces, emphasizing the importance of how materials are supported.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the materials and methods to achieve the desired magnetic grip, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the calculations involved.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions regarding the coefficient of friction and the design specifications for the magnetic gloves are not fully resolved, and the discussion reflects varying perspectives on material performance under different conditions.

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Hi!

I was wondering how I would go about solving a problem like this: (I have experience with up to multi-variable calculus and moderate level physics)

So I'm trying to see if it's plausible to create electromagnets, which fit into gloves and/or boots, that would allow a person to climb around a metal building like a bug. I'm assuming your entire system (body and gear) weighs 100 kg for the sake of this problem. I've managed to figure out that to stay connected to the building you'll need the magnet to apply a force of about 6533.3 N to the building you're on. My question is, how do I calculate, under reasonable assumptions made about the design of such items (fits in the hand, no area as large as 10 m^2 for example) the electrical requirements for such a feat (voltages, current, etc.)

Thank you!
 
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That seems like a large force, what did you use for the coefficient of friction?
 
billy_joule said:
That seems like a large force, what did you use for the coefficient of friction?
Iron to iron under less-than-optimal conditions, or 0.15
 
I would recommend a thin layer of rubber over your magnet...
 
Why use electromagnets? You could use PMs with sliding pole pieces that enable or disable the external field.
Check out magnetic chucks. http://www.themagnetguide.com/magnetic-chuck.html

billy_joule said:
I would recommend a thin layer of rubber over your magnet...
Rubber is OK when it is dry. Water is a natural lubricant for rubber. Something like thin cigarette paper can be glued to the face of the magnet. It then works when wet or dry.
 
Baluncore said:
Rubber is OK when it is dry. Water is a natural lubricant for rubber. Something like thin cigarette paper can be glued to the face of the magnet. It then works when wet or dry.
Rice papers tear at the very mention of water IME - long time roll your own smoker
 
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billy_joule said:
Rice papers tear at the very mention of water IME
The behaviour of a material is dependent on how it is supported. When thin paper is glued to a clean chuck, the fibres attach to the chuck and not to each other. When machining “slippery” metal held in a steel chuck, a cigarette paper which is cheap, thin, and has accurate dimensions, increases friction. There are many different types of paper available.
 

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