Magnetic Moment Definition Verification/ Proof

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The discussion revolves around the definition and derivation of the magnetic moment for a non-planar loop, specifically focusing on the equation m= \frac { I }{ 2 } \int { \overrightarrow { r } } \times d\overrightarrow { r }. Participants seek clarification on the validity of this equation, its name, and where to find a derivation or proof.

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  • One participant questions the validity and naming of the magnetic moment equation and expresses difficulty in finding resources for its derivation.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation is a convenient definition used to approximate the magnetic field due to currents at large distances, recommending specific textbooks for further details.
  • A different participant provides a related equation involving current density and suggests that the derivation of the magnetic moment equation can be found in a specific electromagnetism textbook.
  • Another participant references a specific page in a textbook for additional information but does not provide the content directly.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the equation's name or its derivation, and multiple viewpoints regarding the definition and application of the magnetic moment are presented.

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Some participants reference specific textbooks and pages for derivations, but there is no agreement on a singular source or method of derivation. The discussion reflects varying levels of access to resources and differing interpretations of the equation's significance.

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I saw the equation here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_moment#Current_loop_definition for the definition of the magnetic moment for a non-planar loop. Can someone tell me if there's a name for this equation [itex]m= \frac { I }{ 2 } \int { \overrightarrow { r } } \times d\overrightarrow { r }[/itex], if it's even right, and where I could find a derivation and/or proof of the equation? I've been fumbling over this for several hours now and I've gotten absolutely nowhere. I don't have any access to any texts on the matter, all I have is google and wikipedia at the moment.

Thanks

Anthony
 
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It is really just a convenient definition. It assigns to some portion space (where the currents are) a quantity called magnetic moment. The motivation is, we want to find some approximate expression for the magnetic field due to these currents, and it turns out that in large distances, the magnetic moment is sufficient to find it. Try to get and look into D.J. Griffiths, Introduction to electrodynamics, sec. 5.4.3 or J.D. Jackson: Classical Electrodynamics, you should find the details there.
 
It follows from
[tex]{\bf m}=\frac{1}{2}\int{\bf r\times j}d^3r[/tex]
with the substitution [tex]{\bf j}d^3r\rightarrow I{\bf dr}.[/tex]
The derivation of the j equation takes about one page in an EM textbook.
It is on J. Franklin, "Classical Electromagnetism" on page 212.
Your equation is derived directly on page 210.
You should also know that [tex]\frac{1}{2}\int{\bf r\times dr}=[/tex]
the area of the loop.
 
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