Magnetic Permeability Explained (Layman Terms)

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The discussion centers around the concepts of magnetic permeability and relative permeability, with participants seeking to understand these terms in layman's language. The scope includes theoretical explanations and practical applications related to electromagnetism and magnetism in materials.

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  • One participant requests a layman's explanation of magnetic permeability and relative permeability.
  • Another participant provides definitions related to magnetic properties, including retentivity, residual magnetism, coercive force, permeability, and reluctance, citing a resource they found helpful for their project on electromagnets.
  • A participant questions whether the calculations related to magnetic properties can be used to determine when a material could be polarized in an opposing magnetic field.
  • Another participant clarifies that magnetic permeability is defined as the internal magnetic field induced in a medium divided by the applied magnetic field, while relative permeability is the ratio of the material's permeability to the permeability of free space.

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Participants express various viewpoints and definitions regarding magnetic permeability and related concepts, but there is no consensus on the layman's explanation or the calculations related to polarization in opposing fields. The discussion remains unresolved on these points.

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Some definitions provided may not fully align with layman's terms, and there are unresolved questions about the calculations and implications of magnetic properties.

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I was wondering if someone could please explain to me, in layman's terms, what magnetic permeability and relative permeability entails. thankyou
 
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I copied these from the following location. I'm not sure if this qualifies as layman's terms but I've found it helpful in my own recent project where I've been making electromagnets and working with permanent magnets. http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/MagParticle/Physics/HysteresisLoop.htm

1. Retentivity - A measure of the residual flux density corresponding to the saturation induction of a magnetic material. In other words, it is a material's ability to retain a certain amount of residual magnetic field when the magnetizing force is removed after achieving saturation. (The value of B at point b on the hysteresis curve.)
2. Residual Magnetism or Residual Flux - the magnetic flux density that remains in a material when the magnetizing force is zero. Note that residual magnetism and retentivity are the same when the material has been magnetized to the saturation point. However, the level of residual magnetism may be lower than the retentivity value when the magnetizing force did not reach the saturation level.
3. Coercive Force - The amount of reverse magnetic field which must be applied to a magnetic material to make the magnetic flux return to zero. (The value of H at point c on the hysteresis curve.)
4. Permeability, m - A property of a material that describes the ease with which a magnetic flux is established in the component.
5. Reluctance - Is the opposition that a ferromagnetic material shows to the establishment of a magnetic field. Reluctance is analogous to the resistance in an electrical circuit.


The relative permeability is arrived at by taking the ratio of the material's permeability to the permeability in free space (air).

The link above points to one page of a very informative set of pages. Just in case you or anyone else would like to check out the whole thing, here you go. Makes a good bookmark:

http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/MagParticle/cc_mpi_index.htm
 
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length of retension a material will have

Idjot said:
I copied these from the following location. I'm not sure if this qualifies as layman's terms but I've found it helpful in my own recent project where I've been making electromagnets and working with permanent magnets. http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/MagParticle/Physics/HysteresisLoop.htm

1. Retentivity - A measure of the residual flux density corresponding to the saturation induction of a magnetic material. In other words, it is a material's ability to retain a certain amount of residual magnetic field when the magnetizing force is removed after achieving saturation. (The value of B at point b on the hysteresis curve.)
2. Residual Magnetism or Residual Flux - the magnetic flux density that remains in a material when the magnetizing force is zero. Note that residual magnetism and retentivity are the same when the material has been magnetized to the saturation point. However, the level of residual magnetism may be lower than the retentivity value when the magnetizing force did not reach the saturation level.
3. Coercive Force - The amount of reverse magnetic field which must be applied to a magnetic material to make the magnetic flux return to zero. (The value of H at point c on the hysteresis curve.)
4. Permeability, m - A property of a material that describes the ease with which a magnetic flux is established in the component.
5. Reluctance - Is the opposition that a ferromagnetic material shows to the establishment of a magnetic field. Reluctance is analogous to the resistance in an electrical circuit.


The relative permeability is arrived at by taking the ratio of the material's permeability to the permeability in free space (air).

The link above points to one page of a very informative set of pages. Just in case you or anyone else would like to check out the whole thing, here you go. Makes a good bookmark:

http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/MagParticle/cc_mpi_index.htm

Can this be calculated and used as a basis for when the material could be polarized in the opposing field, i.e. from pos to neg
 
Michael G said:
Can this be calculated and used as a basis for when the material could be polarized in the opposing field, i.e. from pos to neg

Can what be calculated ?
 
Magnetic permeability is the internal magnetic field induced in a medium divided by the applied magnetic field (technically defined as B/H).

Relative permeability is the magnetic permeability divided by the permeability of free space, mu_0.

Claude.
 

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