Manipulating the Maclaurin Series for e^(-4x^4) to Solve an Integral

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The discussion revolves around using the Maclaurin series for e^(-4x^4) to evaluate an integral. Participants are exploring how to manipulate the series correctly and apply it to the integral, with the goal of expressing the answer as an infinite series.

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the Maclaurin series for e^x to fit e^(-4x^4) but encounters difficulties in the integration process. Some participants suggest focusing on the correct form of the series, particularly the powers of -4 and x.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the manipulation of the series and integration steps. There is a back-and-forth regarding the correct application of powers and constants, with some guidance provided on how to structure the terms. The discussion is ongoing, with no clear consensus reached yet.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the integration of the series and the handling of terms, particularly with respect to the signs and powers involved. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations and seeks further clarification.

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Homework Statement



Assume that e^x equals its Maclaurin series for all x.
Use the Maclaurin series for e^(-4 x^4) to evaluate the integralYour answer will be an infinite series. Use the first two terms to estimate its value.

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I've tried using the e^x series above to solve the given series. From what I understand, I am suppose to manipulate the e^x series so that it becomes e^(-4x^4). I am new to these forums, and I don't know another way to show what I'm doing, so I'll post an image of what I have so far (which is incorrect):Can anyone point me in the right direction or tell me what my mistakes are?
Thanks a lot and sorry if I broke any forum etiquette rules here! It's my first time here. =)
 
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No rules broken. Welcome to the forums! You want (-4*x^4)^n. Not -4*(x^4)^n. You get powers of the -4 as well.
 
Hey Dick sorry for the late reply, I had to run out real quick, but I tried your suggestion of (-4x^4)^n. However, I am still getting an incorrect answer. I brought out -1/n! and then integrated (4x^4)^n. Which should give me 4^nx(x^4)^n/4n+1?
 
Then you get powers of the -1 as well. (-1)^n. Your power on the x isn't right either in the integral. You had it right before.
 
Dick said:
Then you get powers of the -1 as well. (-1)^n. Your power on the x isn't right either in the integral. You had it right before.

I'm afraid I don't understand. Can you elaborate on this please?
 
(-4)^1=-4. (-4)^2=16. (-4)^3=-64. (-4)^4=256. They aren't all the same sign. You can't factor the (-1) out.
 
so you're saying I should get (-4x)^(4n+1)/(4n+1)n! ... ?
 
No. (-4x^4)^n=(-4)^n*(x^4)^n=(-4)^n*x^(4n). Now integrate the power.
 
Dick said:
No. (-4x^4)^n=(-4)^n*(x^4)^n=(-4)^n*x^(4n). Now integrate the power.
By integrate the powers you mean -4^n*x^(4n) = -4^(n+1)*x^(4n+1)/(4n+1)n! ...??

Sorry, English is not my native tongue.
 
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By 'power' I meant the x^(4n). Sorry. (-4)^n is a constant in each term. It doesn't depend on x. You only apply the power law to x^(4n).
 
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Dick said:
By 'power' I meant the x^(4n). Sorry. (-4)^n is a constant in each term. It doesn't depend on x. You only apply the power law to x^(4n).

Ah, I see it more clearly now, but once I plug in x, which is .1, I should get (-4)^n*(0.1)^(4n+1)/(4n+1)n! I then plugged in 0 and 1 for n to test the first two terms of the series, but my answer came out wrong again. =( Please help.
 
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Can you show us the first two terms of the series you used and the numbers you got? Remember the first term is n=0. That term is pretty simple.
 
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Sure, here is what I've done below:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9651/mathhelp.jpg
 
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I get 0.099992. I didn't round off. Could that be the problem? Otherwise, it looks fine.
 
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Dick said:
I get 0.099992. I didn't round off. Could that be the problem? Otherwise, it looks fine.

I left off the two at the end when I entered my solution, and webwork counted that as incorrect. I just tried your solution with the extra 2 and now it is correct. Silly webwork. =) Thanks for you patience throughout helping me find this solution. Hopefully we can do business again in the future!
 
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You're welcome. You know where to find me. BTW your English is excellent. You even spell words correctly. Native speakers don't do that any more.
 

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