Mass on Bridge, Find Force of Friction when bridge is barely inclined

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a mass on an inclined drawbridge. Participants are exploring the relationship between the force of friction, the angle of inclination (theta), and the force of gravity (F_g). The original poster seeks clarification on how to express the force of friction in terms of these variables.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are questioning the sufficiency of the information provided regarding the incline of the bridge. There is a focus on understanding the implications of a small angle theta and how it relates to the force of friction without using trigonometric identities. Some participants suggest drawing a free body diagram to analyze the forces involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants seeking to clarify assumptions about the angle of inclination and its impact on the calculations. There is an acknowledgment of a relationship between small angles and trigonometric functions, but no consensus has been reached on the method to derive the force of friction.

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Participants note the need for more information regarding the angle of inclination and the conditions under which the force of friction is being calculated. The original poster indicates uncertainty about the derivation of the answer provided in the thread.

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Look at the picture attached. There is a mass on a drawbridge, which is inclined at half a meter. We have the Normal force, the coefficient of static friction, force of gravity and the force of friction pushing the mass upwards to the end of the draw bridge that is most inclined. We also have [itex]\theta[/itex], from the joint of the bridge. Put the answer in terms of

What is the force of friction in terms of [itex]\theta[/itex] and force of gravity, F_g
theta and force_gravityThe correct answer is Theta*F_g. How did they get this answer without any trig identities? Did it all cancel out?
 

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It is not sufficient to say that the drawbridge is inclined "half a meter" without giving more info. Perhaps you mean the angle theta is rather small? What do you get for a result? Please show your work.
 


PhanthomJay said:
It is not sufficient to say that the drawbridge is inclined "half a meter" without giving more info. Perhaps you mean the angle theta is rather small? What do you get for a result? Please show your work.

The answer is at the bottom, and yes the intention is to tell you that [itex]\theta[/itex] is small. Also, I do not know the work to arrive at this answer, that is why I am asking.
 


There is an approximate but very close relationship between theta and sin or tan theta when theta is small and expressed in radians. But first, you should apply Newton's first law along the direction of the incline after first drawing a free body diagram showing the forces acting along the incline, to see how your answer compares to the book answer.
 

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