Mass times acceleration doesn't belong to a free-body diagram, why?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the role of mass times acceleration (\textit{m}\vec{a}) in free-body diagrams, exploring the conventions and interpretations surrounding this topic in physics. Participants examine whether \textit{m}\vec{a} should be included in free-body diagrams and the implications of such inclusion for understanding net forces and dynamics.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that \textit{m}\vec{a} does not belong in free-body diagrams, as these diagrams are meant to represent externally applied forces only.
  • Others argue that including \textit{m}\vec{a} could lead to confusion, as it is not a separate force but rather the result of the net force acting on the object.
  • A participant mentions that d'Alembert's principle allows for the inclusion of -\textit{m}\vec{a} in diagrams, but notes that this approach may not be illuminating.
  • There is a suggestion that for complex dynamics problems, it may be beneficial to draw separate diagrams for forces and mass times acceleration to clarify relationships.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of adhering to conventional practices as outlined in textbooks to avoid confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the inclusion of \textit{m}\vec{a} in free-body diagrams, with no consensus reached on whether it should be included or not. The discussion reflects multiple competing interpretations of the conventions surrounding free-body diagrams.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the conventions for free-body diagrams may vary, and the understanding of net forces and acceleration can depend on the definitions used. There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of including \textit{m}\vec{a} in these diagrams.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in physics, particularly those exploring the conventions of free-body diagrams and the relationships between forces and motion.

MarcoAurelio
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\sum\vec{F} is intended to be the net force (this is the sum of all forces acting on an object). However I have read that such sum equals to the product of the mass of the object and the acceleration that undergoes, but it resulted confusing to me that I read that \textit{m}\vec{a} doesn't belong in free body diagrams. What does this mean?
 
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No idea what it means, but its certainly used in free body diagrams, so either you misread the text or just disregard it.
 
No, Marco is correct that they aren't included. See example 3:
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/u2l2c.cfm

A free body diagram is a tool and its use is a matter of convention. The convention (definition) is that externally applied forces are shown. This enables defining the term "net force" as a force causing acceleration. We recently had a thread where confusion over/misuse of these definitions led to a long and pointless argument...
 
It's because ma is equal to the sum of all forces on the diagram. It's not a separate force. In principle, you could label the net force, but it usually only leads to confusion.

People talk about "inertia" as if it's a force, but this is just misunderstanding of reaction forces.
 
You MAY, on the basis of d'Alembert's principle, add -ma to your repertoire of "forces", and then always get a closed drawing. But, it isn't really illuminative to do so. Not the least because the determination of the length and direction of the -ma-"force" can solely be determined by "whichever gap is left in my drawing", rather than by some independent means.
 
yeah, if you put ##m\vec{a}## into the free-body diagram, then this vector must be equal to the sum of all the actual forces. I think this is all that is meant when the textbook says ##m\vec{a}## does not belong in the free-body diagram.
 
MarcoAurelio said:
I read that \textit{m}\vec{a} doesn't belong in free body diagrams. What does this mean?
As was mentioned above, it is just a convention. It appears that your textbook follows that convention, so you should too. If you don't follow the convention then you are likely to get confused and you will be unable to get un-confused since the book won't be able to help you if you don't use its conventions.

Just be aware that there are alternative conventions (d'Alembert's approach), but you should not attempt those until you are fully comfortable with the standard convention.
 
For complicated dynamics problems (e.g. where there are several masses joined by links so they can move in different directions) it is often useful to draw two separate diagrams, one showing the forces, and the other showing the mass x acceleration vectors, and then writing the equations that make them equal.

I agree with the other answers - there is more than one "right way" to draw these diagrams, but to avoid getting confused, or losing marks in tests, start by drawing them the same way as your teacher and textbook does it.
 

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