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Mass to volume conversion

  1. Aug 21, 2012 #1
    Is there an equation to convert mass to volume assuming a negligible gravitational effect. So say 1 micro gram occupies a particular volume.
     
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  3. Aug 21, 2012 #2

    sophiecentaur

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    The relationship between mass and volume is called the Density (look it up). Density varies from substance to substance. Gravity doesn't come into it unless you are dealing with a substance that is compressible under its own weight (say air).
     
  4. Aug 21, 2012 #3
    OK. I am trying to understand the relationships between Planck length, Planck mass and Planck volume. The measurements are so small and have a standard uncertainty I was thinking I could scale them up somehow to say make 1 Plank volume equal to 1 cubic metre for convenience and then derive the other units from that. Don't ask me why I want to do this as it is something I am working on that is not related to current theories and would cause problems if I discussed it here.
     
  5. Aug 21, 2012 #4

    russ_watters

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    Scaling numbers up can easily be done by using scientific notation.
     
  6. Aug 21, 2012 #5

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    But a Planck volume is not 1 m3, it is (1 Planck length)3, or about 4 × 10-105 m3.

    (If I understand your statement correctly.)
     
  7. Aug 21, 2012 #6

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    I think the idea was to divide it by 4x10-105 to make it easier to work with.
     
  8. Aug 21, 2012 #7
    The problem is with h-bar if I have h at 1. If I have 1/2pi for h-bar then how would this relate to G and c? The units are no longer normalised, are they?
     
  9. Aug 21, 2012 #8

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    You aren't really explaining what you are trying to do, so I have no idea what the issue is. Perhaps you need to be working with the equations without plugging in the values?
     
  10. Aug 22, 2012 #9
    I think that is what I will have to do otherwise I am comparing apples with pears. Ultimately I want to convert mass to a volume. I need to factor in a density for a rest mass energy. I want to plot volume and mass for various elements at rest mass. Unless this has already been done. I also want to plot valency against specific gravity for elements in the periodic table. Does anyone know if this has been done somewhere.
     
  11. Aug 22, 2012 #10

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    Yes, if you don't want to deal with ugly values, working with equations can avoid that.

    And yes, you can certainly find tables of densities online. However, be aware that density is a macro phenomenon that depends on the arrangement of the atoms. There is not one single density for an element. This probably means that what you are seeking to do isn't possible.
     
  12. Aug 22, 2012 #11
    That's what I am thinking.

    I know and that is going to be a real problem. I haven't worked out how to resolve it yet. I am sure there will be a way but the math will be complex. Maybe too complex.
     
  13. Aug 22, 2012 #12
    I have been reading up on the classical electron radius. If I were to use this as a reference point and sidestep quantum mechanics (I know!) then this could give me some reference point.
     
  14. Aug 22, 2012 #13
    This then leads on to the electromagnetic radius for any mass.
     
  15. Aug 22, 2012 #14
    Has anyone heard of the scale invariant quantum Hall impedance.

    I found this.

    [crackpot link deleted]
     
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  16. Aug 22, 2012 #15
    The article above seems to indicate that one of the magnetic monopoles is reacting out of range of detection. This may mean that the photon is actually too big for us to detect in its entirety.
     
  17. Aug 22, 2012 #16

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    Since the OP is hijacking his own thread, it's a good time to stop.
     
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