Mastering Maxwell Relations in Thermodynamics: Derivation & Problem-Solving Tips

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The discussion focuses on deriving the remaining three Maxwell relations in thermodynamics starting from the first one, using specific partial derivative relationships. The user expresses confusion about the second relation provided, particularly regarding the variable 'f' and how to apply it. Clarification is sought on the relevance of the equation dU = TdS - PdV and its connection to the Maxwell relations. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding these foundational equations to effectively tackle the problem. Overall, the thread highlights the need for guidance in applying theoretical concepts to practical problem-solving in thermodynamics.
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I'm studying Thermodynamics and I'm a little stuck at this problem.

1. Homework Statement


Starting with the first Maxwell relation, derive the remaining three by using only the relations:

$$\left(\frac{\partial x}{\partial y}\right) _{z} \left(\frac{\partial y}{\partial z}\right) _{x} \left(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}\right) _{y} = -1$$

and


$$\left(\frac{\partial x}{\partial y}\right) _{f} \left(\frac{\partial y}{\partial z}\right) _{f} \left(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}\right) _{f} = 1$$​

Homework Equations



The Maxwell relations are:

$$\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial V}\right) _{S} = - \left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial S}\right) _{V}$$
$$\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial P}\right) _{S} = \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial S}\right) _{P}$$
$$\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right) _{T} = \left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right) _{V}$$
$$\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial P}\right) _{T} = - \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right) _{P}$$

The Attempt at a Solution



My problem is, that I don't understand the second relation they give me to solve the problem. I'm not quite sure what would be f in this relation. I mean, in the book they define it as a function of x, y, and z, but I can't really use it. I don't know where to start. I'm sure that the problem is quite easy, but I need a little push to get started.

Any help would be appreciated
 
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BobaJ said:
I'm studying Thermodynamics and I'm a little stuck at this problem.

1. Homework Statement


Starting with the first Maxwell relation, derive the remaining three by using only the relations:

$$\left(\frac{\partial x}{\partial y}\right) _{z} \left(\frac{\partial y}{\partial z}\right) _{x} \left(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}\right) _{y} = -1$$

and


$$\left(\frac{\partial x}{\partial y}\right) _{f} \left(\frac{\partial y}{\partial z}\right) _{f} \left(\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}\right) _{f} = 1$$​

Homework Equations



The Maxwell relations are:

$$\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial V}\right) _{S} = - \left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial S}\right) _{V}$$
$$\left(\frac{\partial T}{\partial P}\right) _{S} = \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial S}\right) _{P}$$
$$\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right) _{T} = \left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right) _{V}$$
$$\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial P}\right) _{T} = - \left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right) _{P}$$

The Attempt at a Solution



My problem is, that I don't understand the second relation they give me to solve the problem. I'm not quite sure what would be f in this relation. I mean, in the book they define it as a function of x, y, and z, but I can't really use it. I don't know where to start. I'm sure that the problem is quite easy, but I need a little push to get started.

Any help would be appreciated
You're starting from the wrong relationships. Are you familiar with the equation dU=TdS-PdV?
 
Yes. I'm familiar with this equation. I know that there are 3 more for the enthalpy, the Helmholtz function and the Gibbs function. But I thought that the Maxwell relations are the four I wrote down and as the problem says to start with the first Maxwell relation I didn't think much about them.
 
Oh OK. I understand what you are being asked to do now.
 

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