Material as thin as a drinking straw and as flexible as a latex tube?

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The discussion revolves around the search for a type of tubing that is both thin, similar to a drinking straw, and flexible, akin to latex tubing, for an artistic project involving weighted cloth. Participants explore various materials and methods for achieving the desired properties in the tubing while considering the implications of different bead materials for weight.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that flexible tubes tend to collapse when bent, proposing the use of helical wire to maintain structure while allowing flexibility.
  • Others propose using a piano wire to thread beads directly, eliminating the need for external tubing.
  • There are inquiries about the purpose of the beads, with suggestions for various materials, including steel, copper, glass, and ceramic, each with their own pros and cons regarding weight and toxicity.
  • Some participants discuss the possibility of creating thin latex tubes themselves, referencing historical methods of latex formation.
  • Concerns are raised about the rusting potential of stainless steel and the suitability of alternative materials like brass, granite, or marble for bead construction.
  • One participant provides a link to a source of plastic tubing, highlighting the variety of options available based on diameter and bend radius.
  • There is mention of tungsten and tungsten carbide, with discussions on their properties and potential issues related to dust production.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on materials and methods, with no clear consensus on the best approach or material for the tubing or beads. Multiple competing views remain regarding the optimal solutions for the project.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various limitations and considerations, such as the need for specific diameters, the potential for rust in stainless steel, and the varying densities and costs of alternative materials. The discussion remains open-ended with unresolved technical details.

Who May Find This Useful

Artists, designers, and engineers interested in material properties and applications in creative projects may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
Tom.G said:
Or perhaps blow compressed air in along with the beads. This will both expand the channels and encourage the beads to move along.
Interesting- I'll have to try this.
 
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  • #32
JBA said:
Even with the staggered brick pattern, you still start out with long parallel tubes; then, the staggered pattern is simply created by staggering your cross seams after the beads are installed.
Exactly.
 
  • #33
It sounds like you want to place the beads until they are sewn into the cells.

How about:
  1. painting or printing a water-soluble glue onto one piece of fabric
  2. spreading beads across the surface so beads stick only where there is glue
  3. sewing a fabric cover over the bead-glued fabric, stitching along cell boundaries
  4. washing the glue away
 
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  • #34
Tom.G said:
Or perhaps blow compressed air in along with the beads
Sounds like a marriage between 'sand blasting' and 'airsoft gun' celebrated by a 'shot blaster'.

It is sand blasting which is available as handheld device and works with compressed air: shot blasting is which is about small and heavy beads but it is often using mechanical acceleration. To have them mixed for this usage it will be like some airsoft thing, but with continuous air and only the release of beads is triggered.
 
  • #35
JBA said:
Your answer may be a combination of a thin wall brass tubing and a flexible tubing with the I.D. required for the beads. Use a short length of the brass tubing for insertion into the end of the fabric channel and with its other end inserted into the end of a required length of the flexible tubing.
This sounds interesting. Can you explain a little more? I'm not sure I understand exactly what the short length of brass tubing would be for.
 
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There's a surprising range of Teflon / PTFE tubing sizes available on eg Amazon, intended to feed 3D printing filament. Although pricey, it is fairly stiff, and may be bought with a kit of connectors. You may need to apply mild suction to load with beads, then a little air-pressure to dispense. A modest aquarium pump may suffice...Um, I have no idea what material is used for 'Intermittent Self Catheterisation' aka 'Enlarged Prostate Stretch', but its combination when 'fresh' of stiffness, mild flexibility and surprising reluctance to squash or kink may approach your need. Downside, each sterile, one-use device becomes remarkably, intractably stiff when the initial lube dries off...
 

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