Materials that effect fields from Perminant magnets?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying materials that can block, reduce, stabilize, increase, or react with the magnetic fields produced by permanent magnets. Participants explore various materials and their properties in relation to magnetic fields, including both theoretical and practical applications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests graphite as a magnetic stabilizer and copper as a magnetic inductor.
  • Another participant questions the definitions and properties attributed to graphite and copper, arguing that graphite is a moderate diamagnet and that copper is essentially non-magnetic, emphasizing the importance of geometry in magnetic applications.
  • A later reply introduces mu-metal as a high permeability ferromagnetic alloy used for magnetic shielding and bismuth as the strongest elemental diamagnet at room temperature, providing specific susceptibility values.
  • Participants discuss the distinction between material properties and geometrical properties, particularly in the context of inductance and magnetic stability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the initial claims regarding the properties of graphite and copper, with some participants challenging the terminology and descriptions used. Multiple competing views regarding the effectiveness and definitions of materials in relation to magnetic fields remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the geometrical configurations of materials and their interactions with magnetic fields, which are not fully resolved. The conversation also touches on the limitations of certain materials in specific applications, such as aerospace.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying materials science, physics, or engineering, particularly in the context of magnetism and magnetic shielding applications.

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hi all, Please can you help list materials that can be used to Block, Reduce, Stabilize, Increase or react with the fields from perminant magnets

il start with

Graphite: A Magnetic Stabilizer
Coper: A Magnetic Inductor
 
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Materials in what way?

Do you mean materials added to ferromagnetic materials/alloys or surrounding them or juxtaposed?
 
Astronuc said:
Materials in what way?

Do you mean materials added to ferromagnetic materials/alloys or surrounding them or juxtaposed?

i mean externaly,Materials that can interact with the field

for example a material that would block the magnetic field from the perminant magnet if you surrounded the maget with it.

another example would be how graphite sheets will stabilize a perminant magnets field in such a way as to allow it to levitate.

copper will induce electric charge when disrupted by magnets.

any examples like that would be of great interest
 
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mimic said:
hi all, Please can you help list materials that can be used to Block, Reduce, Stabilize, Increase or react with the fields from perminant magnets
The magnetic field from a permanent magnet is just that - a magnetic field, it is no different from the magnetic field produced from an electromagnet. The last three words in your sentence are hence redundant.

il start with

Graphite: A Magnetic Stabilizer
Coper: A Magnetic Inductor
This is a misleading description - to say, without elaboration, that graphite is a "magnetic stabilizer". There is no material property known as magnetic stability. Graphite is a moderate diamagnet. When used in the right geometry, it provides a shallow potential well for a magnetically levitated object (again, only in a specific geometry), which results is better stability against mechanical perturbations.

Second, it is meaningless to say that copper is a "magnetic inductor". Inductance is a geometrical property, not a material property. Copper is essentially non-magnetic**. The reason copper is used in transformer windings is because of its large electrical conductivity. You'd have to build a significantly larger transformer if you wanted to use some other (eg: aluminum) material to deliver the same current through the windings.

In any case, to add a little to your list :

Mu-metal : A very high permeability ferromagnetic alloy made primarily from nickel and iron. It is often used in magnetic shielding. ##

Bismuth : This the the strongest elemental diamagnet at room temperature. It's diamagnetic susceptibility is a little bigger than those of gold and graphite and a lot bigger than those of copper and water, yet about 5 orders of magnitude smaller than that of a superconductor (in the Meissner phase).

** It is the weakest known elemental diamagnet, with a susceptibility smaller than -10^-6.

## Note : In certain (eg : aerospace) applications where stronger shielding is required, superconductors are used for magnetic shielding. A superconductor is a perfect diamagnet with susceptibility of -1.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
In any case, to add a little to your list :

Mu-metal : A very high permeability ferromagnetic alloy made primarily from nickel and iron. It is often used in magnetic shielding. ##

Bismuth : This the the strongest elemental diamagnet at room temperature. It's diamagnetic susceptibility is a little bigger than those of gold and graphite and a lot bigger than those of copper and water, yet about 5 orders of magnitude smaller than that of a superconductor (in the Meissner phase).

** It is the weakest known elemental diamagnet, with a susceptibility smaller than -10^-6.

## Note : In certain (eg : aerospace) applications where stronger shielding is required, superconductors are used for magnetic shielding. A superconductor is a perfect diamagnet with susceptibility of -1.

thankyou! these are great examples of the kind of materials i ment
 
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