Math, Science, and Technial Academia

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The discussion centers on the challenges faced by physics PhD graduates in securing academic positions, highlighting the perception of limited job availability in academia. There is a particular focus on the dropout rates from academia among graduates of top-tier PhD programs, influenced by factors such as family commitments, the desire to avoid prolonged postdoctoral positions, and difficulties in finding desirable jobs. The conversation acknowledges the elitist nature of academia, where connections and the reputation of the institution play significant roles in job prospects. Participants express a need for more specific statistics regarding the rates at which PhD holders leave academia, as well as the underlying reasons for these departures. A resource is mentioned for obtaining general statistics on new PhDs and academic job openings in the U.S., though it lacks detailed breakdowns by the prestige of the granting institution.
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I wanted to post this for the sake of clarification. I always hear that academia has "so few jobs for physics PhDs" and all that. What is the degree to which this is a problem? Can one find the rate at which people from a PhD program of "caliber" X (I know caliber can vary across many factors) leave academia?

We all know academia is elitist, and connections do help. A big name school is a place with many big name researchers, one or two of which can vouch for you when applying for jobs. So I'm curious as to the approximate rate that top 25 PhD program members drop out of academia, either for family reasons, not wanting to wander around as a postdoc for ages, or simply not being able to find a position they want in a while. And what makes someone actually understand that rate.

Forgive me if this info has come up -- I have seen *unspecific* info floating around on this subject, and few specifics to give a real idea, in the time I have been reading PF.
 
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And just to save the experienced posters here trouble, let me also say I'm aware that it can have to do with funding, field of research, etc.

So perhaps I should be asking both about the rates and some reasons experienced people have found that people leave academia.
 
You can find statistics on the numbers of new PhDs and academic job openings for the USA here:

http://www.aip.org/statistics/

These will give you at least an overall picture, although probably not broken down according to the "level" of the PhD-granting institution ("top 15" etc.).
 
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