Mathematical Demonstration - Lenses in contact

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical demonstration of the equation for the focal distance of two touching thin lenses, specifically the equation \(\frac{1}{f_{c}} = \frac{1}{f_{1}} + \frac{1}{f_{2}}\). Participants explore how to derive this equation using lens equations and the behavior of lenses in contact.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in mathematically demonstrating the equation for the focal distance of two lenses in contact, expressing uncertainty about the approach taken.
  • Another participant suggests removing a formatting error in the mathematical expression and proposes considering the scenario where two lenses are a distance \(d\) apart, examining the limit as \(d\) approaches zero.
  • A participant acknowledges the suggestion and references an equation involving \(d\), expressing uncertainty about how to derive it from the original equation.
  • The same participant receives confirmation about the equation they referenced and is encouraged to explore the limit as \(d\) tends to zero to reach the desired equation.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant has resolved their confusion regarding the distribution of terms in the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific steps needed to derive the equation, as participants express differing levels of understanding and approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully clarified the assumptions or definitions related to the lenses' arrangement, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in the derivation process.

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Hi, I have been working on this for a little while and think I am approaching it incorrectly. If someone can help, I'd really appreciate it. This is for a basic introductory calculus based Physics class that I am in.

1. Mathematically demonstrate the following equation with no numerical examples



2. [tex]\frac{1}{f_{c}} = \frac{1}{f_{1}} + \frac{1}{f_{2}}[/tex] - This is the equation for the focal distance of two touching thin lenses.




3. I have tried using the lens equation for the first and second lens, and solving for a distance of zero between them, but i can't figure out how to solve for where the image from the first lens would be, and therefore how the second lens would act on it

Thanks Very Much.
 
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Remove the slash before the 1 in the tex code. Try considering two lenses that are a distance d apart and having a look what happens. Wneh you have an equation for that see what happens when d tends to zero.
 
Hi Kurdt,

Thanks for the info.

Are you talking about this:

[tex]\frac{f_2 (d - f_1) } { d - (f_1 +f_2) }[/tex]


If so, I had seen that, but I am unsure of how to get to that from the given equation.

Thanks
 
I am referring to that equation. Now as I say if you let d tend to zero you will obtain the equation you are after. I trust you know how to get to the equation with d.
 
Just got it. For some reason I distributed d to both terms in the numerator instead of [tex]f_{2}[/tex].

Thanks for your help.
 

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