Mathematical induction/recusive sequences - just need a hint

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The discussion revolves around proving by mathematical induction that a recursive sequence defined by a_{n+1}=3-\frac{1}{a_n} with a_1=1 is increasing. Participants explore the steps involved in mathematical induction, particularly in the context of recursive sequences, and seek hints and clarifications on the process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on how to prove that the sequence is increasing using mathematical induction, noting their unfamiliarity with recursive sequences.
  • Another participant suggests focusing on the inductive step, specifically showing that a_{k + 2} > a_{k + 1} if a_{k + 1} > a_k, and hints at relating terms in the sequence to their predecessors.
  • A participant verifies the base case for n=1, confirming that a(2)=2>1=a(1), and proceeds to assume a(k)>a(k-1) to show a(k+1)>a(k).
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the hints received, indicating they have resolved their difficulty.
  • Several participants discuss the approach to manipulating equations in proofs, questioning the level of freedom allowed in their methods.
  • Another participant confirms that the base case was indeed shown as the first step in the proof.
  • A participant summarizes their proof process, stating they have shown validity for n=1, n=k, and n=k+1, concluding that it holds for all n.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps involved in mathematical induction, but there is some uncertainty regarding the manipulation of equations and the approach to proofs. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the best practices in handling recursive sequences.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the requirements for proving the base case and the inductive step, indicating a potential lack of clarity in the expectations for their proofs.

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How do I prove by mathematical induction that the sequence given by

a_{n+1}=3-\frac{1}{a_n} \qquad a_1=1

is increasing?

The difficulty in finding it myself is that recursive sequences are not familiar to me---i.e. usually, I am able do the following steps without a problem:

(A) Show n=1 gives a true statement.
(B) Assume it is true for n=k.
(C) Get to n=k+1 and complete the proof.

... but this is not a regular sequence. Can anyone give me a tip?
 
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Not quite sure what kind of hint you're after... You wish to prove that a_(n + 1) > a_n for all n. The inductive step is basically showing that a_(k + 2) > a_(k + 1) if a_(k + 1) > a_k. If you work with the first inequality, you'll surely find something. Remember that you can relate a number in the sequence to its predecessor, e.g. a_(k + 2) = 3 - 1/a_(k + 1).
 
At n=1, we find a(2)=2>1=a(1), that is, the first step is verified.

Assume a(k)>a(k-1)
Prove that a(k+1)>a(k):

a(k+1)-a(k)=3-1/a(k)-(3-1/a(k-1))=1/a(k-1)-1/a(k)>0, since a(k)>a(k-1)
 
Oh... I've got it. Thanks. :smile:
 
have you shown n=1?also, how does your prof let you play with the equations, does he/she let you pretty much play with them any way that is algebraically sensical or do you have to take a more controlled approach like playing with one side only, etc.?
 
modmans2ndcoming said:
have you shown n=1?also, how does your prof let you play with the equations, does he/she let you pretty much play with them any way that is algebraically sensical or do you have to take a more controlled approach like playing with one side only, etc.?
What are you getting at?
I've solely used the definitions of the term in the sequence; I haven't presupposed anything that should be proven :confused:
 
to use induction, you show that it it true for n=1 before any other step is taken.
 
erm, and he did show n=1 is ok, in fact that was the first sentence in his proof.
 
Sorry for the late reply---I didn't notice my notification was set to weekly.

Anyhow, I have simply shown what I intended to prove to be valid for:
n=1;
n=k;
n=k+1;
Then, it would be true for all n.

Well, The difficulty I had has already been resolved with your assistance, guys.

Thank you very much indeed. :smile:
 

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