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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of air in a dome, represented by the equation V = pi.k(k^2/r - k^2/3r^3 - r/8), with k defined as m/2pi.p.t. The main task is to derive an expression for r that maximizes the volume and rearrange it into a polynomial form. The derivative of the volume function leads to the equation r^4/8 + kr^2 - k^2 = 0. There is confusion regarding the approximation of the square root of 96 as 10, which is questioned by participants, emphasizing that such approximations are unnecessary when solving for r^2 using the quadratic formula. The discussion highlights the importance of maintaining clarity in variable notation and avoiding unnecessary approximations, especially when unknowns remain in the equation.
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Hey,

So, In a question about finding volume in a dome we were

Given that V = pi.k(k^2/r - k^2/3r^3 - r/8)
And K = m/2pi.p.t

Firstly we are asked to obtain an expression for the value of r that maximises the volume of air and rearrange to obtain an equation of the form ar^4 + br^2 + c = 0

V' => r^4/8 + kr^2 - k^2 = 0

So far I am confident that is correct, but next it asks you to solve the equation for r^2 and hence find r, approximate squareroot of 96 to be 10.

Therefore pi^2 = 10

and substituting the value of k into this equation i obtained,

r^4/8 + mr^2/2pi.p.t - m^2/4pi^2.p^2.t^2 = 0

That is where i get stuck and i hope someone can help me out, thnx :\
 
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lektor said:
Hey,

So, In a question about finding volume in a dome we were

Given that V = pi.k(k^2/r - k^2/3r^3 - r/8)
And K = m/2pi.p.t
Is that V= \pi k(\frac{k^2}{r}-\frac{k^2}{3r^3}- \frac{r}{8} and k= \frac{m}{2\pi pt}? If you don't use LaTex, use lots of parentheses. Also do not use "k" and "K" to mean the same thing.

Firstly we are asked to obtain an expression for the value of r that maximises the volume of air and rearrange to obtain an equation of the form ar^4 + br^2 + c = 0

V' => r^4/8 + kr^2 - k^2 = 0

So far I am confident that is correct, but next it asks you to solve the equation for r^2 and hence find r, approximate squareroot of 96 to be 10.

Therefore pi^2 = 10
What?? Not the \pi I know! "Approximate square root of 96 to be 10"? Why?

and substituting the value of k into this equation i obtained,

r^4/8 + mr^2/2pi.p.t - m^2/4pi^2.p^2.t^2 = 0

That is where i get stuck and i hope someone can help me out, thnx :\
You were told to solve for r2 first- use the quadratic formula. That's fairly straight forward and gives a relatively simple formula for r2. Since you still have unknowns m, p, t in the formula, I see no reason to "approximate" \pi by 10.
 
lektor said:
Hey,

So, In a question about finding volume in a dome we were

Given that V = pi.k(k^2/r - k^2/3r^3 - r/8)
And K = m/2pi.p.t
Is that V= \pi k(\frac{k^2}{r}-\frac{k^2}{3r^3}- \frac{r}{8} and k= \frac{m}{2\pi pt}? If you don't use LaTex, use lots of parentheses. Also do not use "k" and "K" to mean the same thing.

Firstly we are asked to obtain an expression for the value of r that maximises the volume of air and rearrange to obtain an equation of the form ar^4 + br^2 + c = 0

V' => r^4/8 + kr^2 - k^2 = 0

So far I am confident that is correct, but next it asks you to solve the equation for r^2 and hence find r, approximate squareroot of 96 to be 10.

Therefore pi^2 = 10
What?? Not the \pi I know! "Approximate square root of 96 to be 10"? Why?

and substituting the value of k into this equation i obtained,

r^4/8 + mr^2/2pi.p.t - m^2/4pi^2.p^2.t^2 = 0

That is where i get stuck and i hope someone can help me out, thnx :\
You were told to solve for r2 first- use the quadratic formula that gives a fairly straight forward expression for r. Since you still have unknowns m, p, t, I see no reason for "approximating" \pi by 10. You aren't going to get a numerical answer anyway.
 

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