Maths: Question on Ratios, proportions, and percentages

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The problem involves ratios, proportions, and percentages related to the distribution of fireworks among three individuals: Amal, Geoffrey, and Julia. The scenario presents a situation where Amal gives half of his fireworks to Geoffrey, leading to a specific ratio between their quantities, and it also introduces Julia's quantity in relation to Geoffrey's after this transfer.

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the problem statement, particularly whether it asks for the initial or final ratio of fireworks. There are attempts to clarify the implications of the information given about the transfer of fireworks and its relevance to the ratios being calculated.

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Several participants express uncertainty about the interpretation of the problem, with some agreeing on a specific solution while others suggest that the book's solution may be incorrect. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the interpretation of the question, but there is engagement with the problem and attempts to reason through the ratios involved.

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There is mention of a specific source for the problem (Kaplan for the SAT Maths), which may influence how participants approach the question. The discussion also highlights potential confusion stemming from the wording of the problem, indicating that assumptions about the initial and final states of the fireworks are under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement
Amal, Geoffrey, and Julia each have some fireworks. If Amal gives half of his fireworks to Geoffrey, then Amal and Geoffrey will have in a 2:3 ratio. If Julia has 1/5th as many as Geoffrey (after Amal gives half his fireworks to Geoffrey), then what is the ratio of the number of fireworks Amal has to the number of fireworks Julia has?
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Amal, Geoffrey, and Julia each have some fireworks. If Amal gives half of his fireworks to Geoffrey, then Amal and Geoffrey will have in a 2:3 ratio. If Julia has 1/5th as many as Geoffrey (after Amal gives half his fireworks to Geoffrey), then what is the ratio of the number of fireworks Amal has to the number of fireworks Julia has?

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Looks good for the final ratio, but the problem statement might ask about the original ratio (otherwise the information about giving fireworks away wouldn't matter and you could directly use the final ratios).
 
mfb said:
otherwise the information about giving fireworks away wouldn't matter and you could directly use the final ratios
I am not sure I understand this part.

When I read the question, I interpret the problem statement as asking for the final ratio. Where exactly am I misinterpreting it?
 
Kaushik said:
I am not sure I understand this part.

When I read the question, I interpret the problem statement as asking for the final ratio. Where exactly am I misinterpreting it?

I agree with your solution. If you change the question to the initial ration, then it's 20:3.

You can put in some numbers to see the book solution is wrong.
 
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PeroK said:
I agree with your solution. If you change the question to the initial ration, then it's 20:3.

You can put in some numbers to see the book solution is wrong.
Are they asking us to find initial ration or final ration? According to the book solution, they found the final ration. But when I read it, I feel like they are asking for the initial ration.

BTW this question is from Kaplan for the SAT Maths.
 
Kaushik said:
Are they asking us to find initial ration or final ration? According to the book solution, they found the final ration. But when I read it, I feel like they are asking for the initial ration.

BTW this question is from Kaplan for the SAT Maths.

Does it matter? Your solution is good. Move on.
 
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PeroK said:
Does it matter? You're solution is good. Move on.
The answer I got wasn't there in the options. So from what your saying, the book solution must be off.
 
Kaushik said:
The answer I got wasn't there in the options. So from what your saying, the book solution must be off.
Looks that way.
 
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Suppose (at the beginning) Amal had 20 and Julia has 1.

Amal gives 10 to Geoffrey, leaving himself 10 and making Geoffrey up to 15 (to satify the 2:3 ratio). So, Geoffrey had 5 to begin with and now has 15. That's the 5:1 ratio with Julia (but before Geoffrey got Amal's fireworks!).

These word puzzles often end up like this. A hopeless muddle of words and confusion all round.
 
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