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Matrices Formula for 10 by 10 Matrices

  1. Sep 30, 2012 #1
    I'm looking for a determinant formula for a 10 by 10 matrices in variable format.
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Sep 30, 2012 #2
    OK. Why do you want to know this? Do you have a specific example? This is going to be rough if the matrix isn't of a very simple type. For example, if it was sparse, it might be easier to figure out. Any general formula is going to involve 100 variables and is going to be an incredible mess and is going to be VERY VERY LONG. Basically, the first step is going to be finding the determinants of 10 9x9 matrices. This will be tough.

    So, can you post a specific matrix for which you want the det?
     
  4. Sep 30, 2012 #3
    I just need the basic formula for any 10x10 matrices
     
  5. Sep 30, 2012 #4
    Yeah, I got that, but what I'm saying is that the "basic formula" is incredibly complicated. It will involve 100 variables. Surely you can see why that will be a mess. That, combined with the fact that the first step will be to find the det of 10 9x9 matricies. It will be long and will take up many pages.

    Here is the det of a 5x5 matrix (with the first row being a,b,c,d,e and so on)

    a g m s y-a g m t x-a g n r y+a g n t w+a g o r x-a g o s w-a h l s y+a h l t x+a h n q y-a h n t v-a h o q x+a h o s v+a i l r y-a i l t w-a i m q y+a i m t v+a i o q w-a i o r v-a j l r x+a j l s w+a j m q x-a j m s v-a j n q w+a j n r v-b f m s y+b f m t x+b f n r y-b f n t w-b f o r x+b f o s w+b h k s y-b h k t x-b h n p y+b h n t u+b h o p x-b h o s u-b i k r y+b i k t w+b i m p y-b i m t u-b i o p w+b i o r u+b j k r x-b j k s w-b j m p x+b j m s u+b j n p w-b j n r u+c f l s y-c f l t x-c f n q y+c f n t v+c f o q x-c f o s v-c g k s y+c g k t x+c g n p y-c g n t u-c g o p x+c g o s u+c i k q y-c i k t v-c i l p y+c i l t u+c i o p v-c i o q u-c j k q x+c j k s v+c j l p x-c j l s u-c j n p v+c j n q u-d f l r y+d f l t w+d f m q y-d f m t v-d f o q w+d f o r v+d g k r y-d g k t w-d g m p y+d g m t u+d g o p w-d g o r u-d h k q y+d h k t v+d h l p y-d h l t u-d h o p v+d h o q u+d j k q w-d j k r v-d j l p w+d j l r u+d j m p v-d j m q u+e f l r x-e f l s w-e f m q x+e f m s v+e f n q w-e f n r v-e g k r x+e g k s w+e g m p x-e g m s u-e g n p w+e g n r u+e h k q x-e h k s v-e h l p x+e h l s u+e h n p v-e h n q u-e i k q w+e i k r v+e i l p w-e i l r u-e i m p v+e i m q u
     
  6. Sep 30, 2012 #5
    Is there a simpler method then row reduction for solving this?
     
  7. Sep 30, 2012 #6
    Not that I am aware of. But, I ask again, WHY do you need to know this? Let me guess, your Diff. Eq. prof promised you an A if you could give him a formula for the det of a 10x10 matrix. Is that right?
     
  8. Sep 30, 2012 #7
    haha that's exactly why
     
  9. Sep 30, 2012 #8
    And now you can see why he told you this.
     
  10. Sep 30, 2012 #9
    There has to be an easier way through a computer program.
     
  11. Sep 30, 2012 #10
    Well, sure, but that is probably going to involve either the method I mentioned or some sort of numerical method. The only reason it is 'easier' is because the computer can do it much faster than you can (though doing a 10x10 matrix will probably take a REALLY long time.)
     
  12. Sep 30, 2012 #11
    A formula of the form that Robert1986 has already given you for a 5x5 matrix, if derived for a 10x10 matrix, will consist of 10! = 3,628,800 terms, with each term a product of 10 variables. If printed out with 10 terms per line, 50 lines per page, it will take over 7000 pages; that's several reams of paper! :cry:
     
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