Matrix description of optical devices

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the application of matrix techniques, specifically Jones and Mueller matrices, in describing optical devices such as beam splitters and Mach-Zehnder interferometers (MZI). Participants explore the mathematical representation of these devices, particularly in the context of polarized light and multiple input channels.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Jones matrices are 2x2 matrices suitable for describing optical devices with polarized light, particularly in single input channel scenarios.
  • There is mention of the need for a 4x4 matrix representation for a Mach-Zehnder interferometer, with specific input parameters identified as LH, LV, BH, and BV.
  • One participant shares links to papers that utilize both Jones and Mueller matrix techniques for MZI analysis, suggesting that the Jones matrix technique can be adapted for multiple inputs in linear optics.
  • Another participant expresses interest in the method described in Dahlgren's paper and inquires about the general value of H for a beam splitter.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of beam splitters in the context of figure 1 from a referenced paper, questioning whether they are rotated beam splitters or other types of devices.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the type of beam splitters discussed, specifically that they are polarizing beamsplitters with a defined polarization basis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with Jones and Mueller matrix methods, and while some share resources, there is no consensus on the necessity or existence of a 4x4 matrix representation for MZIs. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific characteristics and classifications of beam splitters.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on the assumptions underlying the use of Jones versus Mueller matrices and the specific conditions under which the proposed models apply. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions of terms such as "rotated beam splitters."

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I read that Jones matrices can descibe optical devices with polarized light. They are 2 by 2 matrices.A basis can be Linear polarization along x or along y for a photon moving along z. I can use when there is a device with one input channel.
Consider now a Mach Zehnder Interferometer (MZI). there is a beam splitter with 2 input channels.
I saw papers which use Jones like matrices but where the input polarizations H and V were replaced by Port1 and port2 and the output giving the detectors.
A MZI needs 4 input parameters LH, LV, BH, BV (L B for left bottom)
I did not see descriptions of MZI using 4*4 matrices.
Have you a link?
I found Mueller 4*4 matrices but they speak of something else.
 
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Here is a paper which uses both Jones and and Mueller matrix techniques in the description of a Mach-Zender interferometer: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1211.3194.pdf

And "Matrix operators for complex interferometer analysis":
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1012/1012.0063.pdf

BTW, while the Jones matrix technique works with 2 port devices, in linear optics (which is implicitly assumed) you can simply run a second input through the same system to see the effects of multiple inputs; see section 1 of the second paper.

For auditors unfamiliar with Jones & Mueller, a brief introduction:
http://www.ece.rice.edu/~daniel/262/pdf/lecture17.pdf
 
I read Dahlgren's paper. This what i am looking for.
How did you find his method? in a course or in a book or on the web?
We have Eout = H E0
What is the value of H for a general beam splitter?
I was first interested in the subject when i read http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0408011
 
naima said:
I read Dahlgren's paper. This what i am looking for.
How did you find his method? in a course or in a book or on the web?

I first studied the Jones & Mueller matrix methods as an undergraduate, so I am familiar with them, though in my work I've seldom used them.

Once you are familiar with a topic it is easy to find good references - it only takes a moment to sort through a stack of reference works in the library to find the work that meets your needs, or to read abstracts which contain the key words that are relevant.

It is the same with Google: first understand the technical question, then select the relevant terms: "Jones Mueller matrix Mach Zender two port" and launch the search. Finally read the abstracts until a good paper is found.

Just like getting started on any research project!
 
Could you look at fig 1 in http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0408011
When there is only one input channel, a beam splitter has two output ports.
There are " beam splitters" P1 and P2 which merge two inport channels toward one port.
Are they rotated BS or other devices?
 
From the caption for figure 1: "All beamsplitters are polarizing beamsplitters with the same polarization basis and transmit photons in the |H> state, while reflecting photons in the |V> state"
 

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