Maximize Volume of Cone: Homework Equations & Solution

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The discussion revolves around maximizing the volume of a cone, with relevant equations for the volume of a cone and a sphere provided. Participants explore the relationship between the dimensions of the cone and the sphere, particularly focusing on how to express the cone's volume in terms of its radius and height.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the primary equation for the volume of the cone and question whether the constraints are set up correctly. There is confusion about the relationship between the radius of the cone and the sphere, with attempts to apply the Pythagorean theorem to find the radius of the cone in terms of the height and the radius of the sphere.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the correct setup of the equations, while others express uncertainty about how to proceed with maximizing the volume of the cone. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationships between the variables involved.

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Participants note that the problem is time-sensitive, with one expressing concern about the lack of progress. There is also mention of the need to eliminate one variable to focus on maximizing the volume of the cone.

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Homework Statement


Homework Equations


Volume of cone= (1/3)*pi*r^2*h
Volume of sphere= (4/3)*pi*r^3
Surface area of sphere 4*pi*r^2

The Attempt at a Solution


primary equation is V(cone)= (1/3)pi*r^2*h---> V(cone)= (1/3)pi*(r-h/2)^2*h
constraint: constraint:V(sphere)= (4/3)*pi*r^3
***from pathagorean theorem, I have to find the radius of the cone because the radius of the sphere is not the same as the radius of the cone.
so the radius of the cone is: (r-h/2),
is my primary equation and constraint switched around because I have to get rid of that h and the only way I can is it to use that and put it in terms of r. But I'm suppose to be looking for the maximum volume of the cone...I don't know how to do this..
 
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Hi MitsuShai! :smile:

(have a pi: π and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
MitsuShai said:
well I think the primary equation is V= (1/3)pi*r^2*h …

oooh :redface: … wrong area of the base circle! :cry:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi MitsuShai! :smile:

(have a pi: π and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)


oooh :redface: … wrong area of the base circle! :cry:


It's asking for the maximum volume of the cone, so shouldn't the primary equation be that and then you some how use the sphere...
 
Yes, but r for the base of the cone isn't the same as r for the radius of the sphere. :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Yes, but r for the base of the cone isn't the same as r for the radius of the sphere. :wink:

oh ok, I can see that, so what else can I do
do I assume that the radius is half the height and use pathagorean thereom, so I can get a radius of squareroot(r-h) for the cone?
 
MitsuShai said:
oh ok, I can see that, so what else can I do
do I assume that the radius is half the height and use pathagorean thereom, so I can get a radius of squareroot(r-h) for the cone?

(and have a square-root: √ :wink:)

Yes, use Pythagoras, but no you don't get √(r - h) :redface:

(besides, isn't h larger than r?)
 
tiny-tim said:
(and have a square-root: √ :wink:)

Yes, use Pythagoras, but no you don't get √(r - h) :redface:

(besides, isn't h larger than r?)


oh sorry I get √(r^2 - h^2),right?
ok so my primary equation is: V= (1/3)pi*(r^2-h^2)*h
constraint: Volume of sphere= (4/3)*pi*r^3
or is it the other way around? because I have to get it in terms of r and so I have to get rid of the h so is it like this:

ok so my primary equation is: Volume of sphere= (4/3)*pi*r^3
constraint: V= (1/3)pi*(r^2-h^2)*h
Solve&sub
h= V/[(1/3)pi*(r^2-h^2)]
V= (1/3)pi*(r-h)*V/[(1/3)pi*(r^2-h^2)]
which goes to V=(r-h)*V/(r^2-h^2)
 
MitsuShai said:
oh sorry I get √(r^2 - h^2),right?

wrooong! :rolleyes:
 
tiny-tim said:
wrooong! :rolleyes:

CA = u
OA = r
OC = h - r

CA² = OA² - OC²
u² = r² - (h - r)²
u² = 2hr - h²

V(cone) = (1/3)πu²h
V(cone) = (1/3)π(2hr - h²)h
V(cone) = (1/3)π(2h²r - h³)

I can't figure out what to do next though
constraint: V(sphere)= (4/3)*pi*r^3
how can I go from here because I am trying to maximize the volume of the cone, but there is an h as a variable when I'm only suppose to have r. I can't use the constraint because that won't get me anywhere but I can't use the volume of the cone equation to do the rest because that is what's suppose to be maximized...
 
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Great this is due in a few hours and I have made no progress :(
 
  • #11
never mind, i got it.
 

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