Maximizing Angular Velocity of a DC Motor: A Capacitor-Motor Circuit Analysis

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The original poster is investigating the maximum angular velocity of a DC motor within a circuit that includes a charged capacitor. They are attempting to relate the energy stored in the capacitor to the kinetic energy of the motor to predict the motor's performance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the feasibility of equating the energy of the capacitor with the kinetic energy of the motor. Questions arise regarding the effects of conductive losses and back-emf in the motor. There is also a suggestion to model the system more completely, including various electrical and mechanical parameters.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the need for a comprehensive model of the capacitor-motor system, while others are exploring the concept of Laplace transforms as a potential method for analysis. There is an ongoing exchange of questions and clarifications regarding the understanding of these concepts.

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Participants are discussing the need for realistic values for the components involved, such as capacitor voltage and motor characteristics, to further the analysis.

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Homework Statement


Hi all I am doing a school physics project and I am trying to find the maximum angular velocity of a DC motor. I have built a circuit consisting of a charged capacitor (of known voltage) and a motor. I then try to predict the maximum angular velocity attained by the motor.

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Is it possible to equate the energy of a capacitor and the kinetic energy of the motor like this?
\frac{1}{2} C V^2=\frac{1}{2}Iɷ^2
can i similarly integrate it to find the angular displacement?

Thanks for the help guys
 
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Jumponright said:
Is it possible to equate the energy of a capacitor and the kinetic energy of the motor like this?
12CV2=12Iɷ2


No, you cannot, because there will be conductive losses in the windings of the motor, and the capacitor will not be completely discharged ( due to the back-emf of the motor ).

You must make a complete model of the capacitor/motor, including:

- Capacitor voltage (t).
- Back emf in the motor.
- Self induction in the motor.
- Motor inertia.
- Resistance in motor windings.

The easiest way is to do this by Laplace transforms.

You know how to do that ?
 
not really, can you explain it? thanks
 
Jumponright said:
can you explain it?
Well, I can explain it ( with some diagrams, and so on ).

But are you familiar with Laplace transforms at all ?

For example: The impedance of a capacitor, ZC(s) = 1/(sC) ?
Or when you ( in time-domain ) integrate a signal, you divide by s in the Laplace domain ?

If you are familiar with that, I can sketch a diagram with an explanation.
 
I have just read a bit on Laplace transforms, I can try to understand it
 
Hesch said:
You must make a complete model of the capacitor/motor, including:

- Capacitor voltage (t).
- Back emf in the motor.
- Self induction in the motor.
- Motor inertia.
- Resistance in motor windings.

Do you have some (realistic) values as for the above? ( also the value of the capacitor ).

I think that an algebraic explanation will be a mess.
 

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