Maximizing Beam Design: Balancing Bending and Shear Forces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design considerations for a cantilever beam subjected to bending and shear forces. Participants explore the implications of these forces on stress calculations and design methodologies, referencing both theoretical and practical aspects of beam design.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether to consider shear stress in addition to bending stress when calculating maximum stress at the fixed end of a cantilever beam.
  • Another participant notes that "Strength of Materials" approximations assume pure bending, which may not account for shear forces accurately.
  • Some participants suggest that for hand calculations, it may be acceptable to ignore shear forces and focus on bending moments, provided a reasonable factor of safety is applied.
  • A participant highlights that maximum bending stress occurs at the extreme fibers of the beam, while maximum shear stress is found at the neutral axis, raising the question of when to combine these stresses in design.
  • There is mention of specific scenarios, such as plastic design and the influence of co-existent axial stress, where combining bending and shear stresses is relevant.
  • One participant recalls that bending and shear should be considered together primarily in cases involving torsion.
  • Another participant discusses the validity of the assumption that plane sections remain plane when shear forces are present, noting that the significance of this assumption may vary based on material properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether shear forces should be included in stress calculations for beam design. While some advocate for ignoring shear in favor of bending stress, others emphasize the importance of considering both, particularly in specific design contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the assumptions made in beam theory, such as the plane sections remaining plane, may not hold true under certain conditions, particularly with advanced materials or specific loading scenarios. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the practical implications of these assumptions.

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Homework Statement



This is not a homework problem but a general situation where I'd like to know which is better to do.

Say for example I have a cantilever beam of length L and some moment of inertia I, first moment of area Q and thickness t with a force P applied at the free end.


Homework Equations



σ = My/I ...(1)

τ = VQ/It...(2)


The Attempt at a Solution



So at the fixed end the maximum bending moment is PL and the reaction force is P.

Normally to get the bending stress to see if it less than the allowable stress I'd normally just use equation 1 and check if it is less than the allowable bending stress.

However due to the shearing force P at the fixed end, should I also now use

τxy=PQ/It

then combine to get the maximum shear stress:

\tau_{max} = \frac{1}{2} \sqrt{\sigma_{bend}^2 +4 \tau_{xy}^2}

or does the reaction force count as something else? I ask because normally I was taught to just assume pure bending but in a real life application the presence of the reaction force would mean an assumption of pure bending will be violated I believe. (The assumption that plane sections remain plane before and after bending).
 
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When you solve a problem using "Strength of Materials" approximations, you are not getting the exact solution that the Theory of Elasticity would give you. However, it is still an excellent approximation. For beam bending, Strength of Materials assumes pure bending locally along the beam. So estimating the state of stress as purely tensile at the outside of the bend is pretty accurate.
 
Then when designing using hand calculations it is best to just assume pure bending then and ignore the shear force based on the maximum bending moment?

I doubt in practicality I would ever find a stress function to get the stresses.
 
rock.freak667 said:
Then when designing using hand calculations it is best to just assume pure bending then and ignore the shear force based on the maximum bending moment?

Yes. Just design the thing with a reasonable factor of safety.
 
Chestermiller said:
Yes. Just design the thing with a reasonable factor of safety.

Nice. Thanks man!
 
In the case of the cantilever, the max bending stress occurs at the extreme fibres, whereas the maximum shear stress is at the neutral axis, So, the question now becomes: what are the situations where bending and shear stresses should be combined? I expect there are many answers to this, but certainly an example arises in plastic design where the whole of the section is subject to (uniform) yield stress from bending, but the yield stress in the area of maximum shear is reduced by the presence of shear stress, Similarly for the presence of co-existent axial stress, but in that case, the combination is for normal stresses not both bending and shear. In soil mechanics there are procedures using Mohr's circle for combined shear and normal stresses to determine their overall effect.
 
Ah I completely forgot to consider the axis for the shear stresses. The only time I've ever had to consider bending and shear is if you had a beam subjected to both torsion and bending in which I'd use the equation for Tmax above (which is the radius of the Mohr's Circle).

Though since it is best to design using maximum shear stress theory I should in fact not really consider bending stress and consider shear stress as in equation 2?
 
The assumption that plane sections remain plane before and after bending is valid when there is no shear force present. When it is present, how important that is depends on the ratio of bending modulus to shear modulus. In most common construction materials, the error involved in ignoring this assumption (that sections remain plain...) is outweighed by other considerations and would not make a significant difference to any design decision based on it. I can see situations arising with new materials such as carbon fibre composites combined with the need for optimal very light design, as in aircraft design, where you might need more than one mathematical model to explore the solutions and the range of their errors.
 

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