Maxwell Equations in Tensor notation

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The discussion revolves around the formulation of Maxwell's equations in tensor notation, specifically focusing on the manipulation of the equation involving the Levi-Civita symbol and the partial derivatives of the electromagnetic field tensor. Participants explore the implications of setting certain indices to zero and the resulting equations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the equation involving the Levi-Civita symbol reduces to a specific form, prompting further exploration of the mathematical structure.
  • Another participant provides a detailed breakdown of the equation, noting that the antisymmetry of the field tensor leads to a factor of two in the reduction.
  • A question arises regarding the significance of setting the index "delta" to zero, leading to clarification about its role in the equations.
  • There is a correction regarding the interpretation of "delta," with some participants asserting that it refers to the fourth index of the antisymmetric epsilon tensor.
  • One participant explains that the original equation represents multiple equations for different values of the index "delta," linking them to specific physical interpretations of Maxwell's equations.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of choosing a specific value for "delta" and how it affects the expression of the equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the index "delta" and its implications for the equations. There is no consensus on the best approach to the problem, and multiple interpretations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the equation in question can be interpreted in multiple ways depending on the value assigned to the index "delta," which may lead to different physical equations. The discussion highlights the complexity of tensor notation and the assumptions involved in manipulating these equations.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formul...s_in_special_relativity#Maxwell.27s_equations

Why does
0 = \epsilon^{\alpha \beta \gamma \delta} \frac{\partial F_{\alpha \beta}}{\partial x^\gamma}<br />
reduce to
<br /> 0 = {\partial F_{\alpha\beta}\over\partial x^\gamma} + {\partial F_{\beta\gamma}\over\partial x^\alpha} + {\partial F_{\gamma\alpha}\over\partial x^\beta}<br />
?
 
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<br /> 0<br /> = \epsilon^{\alpha \beta \gamma 0} \frac{\partial F_{\alpha \beta}}{\partial x^\gamma}<br /> = {\partial F_{\alpha\beta}\over\partial x^\gamma} + {\partial F_{\beta\gamma}\over\partial x^\alpha} + {\partial F_{\gamma\alpha}\over\partial x^\beta} - {\partial F_{\beta\alpha}\over\partial x^\gamma} - {\partial F_{\gamma\beta}\over\partial x^\alpha} - {\partial F_{\alpha\gamma}\over\partial x^\beta}<br /> = 2 \left( {\partial F_{\alpha\beta}\over\partial x^\gamma} + {\partial F_{\beta\gamma}\over\partial x^\alpha} + {\partial F_{\gamma\alpha}\over\partial x^\beta} \right)<br />
because F_{\alpha\beta}[/itex] is antisymmetric.
 
Why was delta set to 0?
 
What "delta" are you talking about? There was no "delta" in your original question nor in Adriank's response.
 
HallsofIvy said:
What "delta" are you talking about? There was no "delta" in your original question nor in Adriank's response.

Actually, delta is the fourth index on the anti-symmetric epsilon tensor in both Karliski's post and in the wikipedia equation he linked to. It is basically an error, we should have delta = 0 as in adriank's post, but if delta is not zero then we just get four copies of the same equation.
 
The "equation" in #1 is actually four equations, one for each value of \delta. The one with \delta=0 is the scalar equation

\nabla\cdot\vec B=0

The one with \delta=i\neq 0 is the ith component of the vector equation

\nabla\times\vec E+\frac{\partial\vec B}{\partial t}=0

(Edit: ...except for a factor of two).
 
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The equation
0 = \epsilon^{\alpha \beta \gamma \delta} \frac{\partial F_{\alpha \beta}}{\partial x^\gamma}
is written with a \delta only on one side, which means we can "plug in" any specific value for it. So I put \delta = 0 and explicitly wrote out the sum \epsilon_{\alpha\beta\gamma0}F_{\alpha\beta,\gamma}.
 

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