Maxwell Stress Tensor in the absence of a magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the Maxwell stress tensor in the context of a static electric field without the presence of a magnetic field. Participants explore the derivation of the stress tensor, addressing the implications of omitting magnetic field terms and the resulting expressions for force density and stress tensor components.

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  • One participant outlines a derivation of the stress tensor starting from the Lorentz force and expresses confusion about the inclusion of terms that seem to depend on a magnetic field.
  • Another participant suggests that the first two terms of the force density equation should be expressed differently, indicating that the terms involving the magnetic field do not apply when B=0.
  • Some participants question the validity of the proposed modifications to the force density equation and seek clarification on the derivation steps.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of dyadics in understanding the relationship between the terms in the equations and corrects a sign error in the initial post.

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Participants express differing views on the derivation of the stress tensor and the role of magnetic field terms in the equations. There is no consensus on the correct formulation or the implications of removing certain terms.

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Participants note that the derivation relies on specific assumptions about the presence of magnetic fields and the mathematical treatment of vector calculus, which may not be universally agreed upon.

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I'm having some trouble calculating the stress tensor in the case of a static electric field without a magnetic field. Following the derivation on Wikipedia,

1. Start with Lorentz force:
\mathbf{F} = q(\mathbf{E} + \mathbf{v}\times\mathbf{B})

2. Get force density
\mathbf{f} = \rho\mathbf{E} + \mathbf{J}\times\mathbf{B}

3. Substitute using Maxwell's laws
\mathbf{f} = \epsilon_0 \left(\boldsymbol{\nabla}\cdot \mathbf{E} \right)\mathbf{E} + \frac{1}{\mu_0} \left(\boldsymbol{\nabla}\times \mathbf{B} \right) \times \mathbf{B} - \epsilon_0 \frac{\partial \mathbf{E}}{\partial t} \times \mathbf{B}

4. Replace some curls and combine
\mathbf{f} = \epsilon_0\left[ (\boldsymbol{\nabla}\cdot \mathbf{E} )\mathbf{E} + (\mathbf{E}\cdot\boldsymbol{\nabla}) \mathbf{E} \right] + \frac{1}{\mu_0} \left[(\boldsymbol{\nabla}\cdot \mathbf{B} )\mathbf{B} + (\mathbf{B}\cdot\boldsymbol{\nabla}) \mathbf{B} \right] - \frac{1}{2} \boldsymbol{\nabla}\left(\epsilon_0 E^2 + \frac{1}{\mu_0} B^2 \right)<br /> - \epsilon_0\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\left( \mathbf{E}\times \mathbf{B}\right)

5. Get the tensor
\sigma_{i j} = \epsilon_0 \left(E_i E_j - \frac{1}{2} \delta_{ij} E^2\right) + \frac{1}{\mu_0} \left(B_i B_j - \frac{1}{2} \delta_{ij} B^2\right)

6. Assuming B=0:
\sigma_{i j} = \epsilon_0 \left(E_i E_j - \frac{1}{2} \delta_{ij} E^2\right)

7. Assume flat surface with perpendicular field (z-direction)
\sigma_{z z} = \epsilon_0 \left(E^2 - \frac{1}{2} E^2\right)=\frac{\epsilon_0}{2} E^2

This is the formula given in e.g. The Feynman Lectures in Physics Vol. 2 (Page 31-14), and some other textbooks.

However, this derivation seems to assume a magnetic field until the final steps. Since most terms in eq. 4 result from the initial v x B term (even those that depend only on E, (\mathbf{E}\cdot\boldsymbol{\nabla}) \mathbf{E} and \frac{1}{2} \boldsymbol{\nabla}\epsilon_0 E^2 ), these should not be present in my case, and in fact eq 4 should be as simple as
<br /> \mathbf{f} = \epsilon_0\left[ (\boldsymbol{\nabla}\cdot \mathbf{E} )\mathbf{E}\right]<br />

Tensor calculus is not my strong point. To me it is not clear how to get from eq 4 to eq 5, and how modifying eq 4 alters the resulting stress tensor. Will it really still be the same as eq 6? To me it seems strange that removing terms would not affect the result, yet this seems to be what many textbooks claim. Or is there some reason why the initial v x B term can not be removed, even when there is no magnetic field?
 
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The first two terms of Eq. (4) should be
\mathbf{f} = \epsilon_0\left[ \boldsymbol{\nabla}\cdot( \mathbf{E}\mathbf{E}) + (\mathbf{E}\cdot\boldsymbol{\nabla}) \mathbf{E} \right].
Then use (\mathbf{E}\cdot\boldsymbol{\nabla}) \mathbf{E}<br /> =(1/2)\nabla({\bf E\cdot E }).
Writing these two terms with indices gives Eq. (5).
The other terms don't enter with no B field. dE/dt can't enter because this would imply a B field.
 
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I don't understand how you get
<br /> \mathbf{f} = \epsilon_0\left[ \boldsymbol{\nabla}\cdot( \mathbf{E}\mathbf{E}) + (\mathbf{E}\cdot\boldsymbol{\nabla}) \mathbf{E} \right]<br />

Looking at eq. 3
<br /> \mathbf{f} = \epsilon_0 \left(\boldsymbol{\nabla}\cdot \mathbf{E} \right)\mathbf{E} + \frac{1}{\mu_0} \left(\boldsymbol{\nabla}\times \mathbf{B} \right) \times \mathbf{B} - \epsilon_0 \frac{\partial \mathbf{E}}{\partial t} \times \mathbf{B}<br />

and assuming B = 0 gives me
<br /> \mathbf{f} = \epsilon_0\left[ (\boldsymbol{\nabla}\cdot \mathbf{E} )\mathbf{E}\right]<br />

Can you clarify?
 
pafcu said:
I don't understand how you get
<br /> \mathbf{f} = \epsilon_0\left[ \boldsymbol{\nabla}\cdot( \mathbf{E}\mathbf{E}) + (\mathbf{E}\cdot\boldsymbol{\nabla}) \mathbf{E} \right]<br />

Looking at eq. 3
<br /> \mathbf{f} = \epsilon_0 \left(\boldsymbol{\nabla}\cdot \mathbf{E} \right)\mathbf{E} + \frac{1}{\mu_0} \left(\boldsymbol{\nabla}\times \mathbf{B} \right) \times \mathbf{B} - \epsilon_0 \frac{\partial \mathbf{E}}{\partial t} \times \mathbf{B}<br />

and assuming B = 0 gives me
<br /> \mathbf{f} = \epsilon_0\left[ (\boldsymbol{\nabla}\cdot \mathbf{E} )\mathbf{E}\right]<br />
Can you clarify?
It helps to know about dyadics.
(\boldsymbol{\nabla}\cdot \mathbf{E} ){\bf E}=<br /> \nabla\cdot({\bf EE})-{(\bf E\cdot\nabla)E}.
If you put in indices for that, you get what you want.
The + sign was wrong in your rirst post.
 
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