Measurement of a missile's trajectory and maneuver

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The discussion centers on the effective range of the AIM-120D AMRAAM missile against maneuvering or evading targets, particularly in the context of a fighter jet simulation game. Participants explore the physics of missile trajectories, the impact of various factors such as speed, G-forces, and air resistance, while also considering the complexities of missile guidance and performance in realistic scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the effective range of the AIM-120D missile against a target maneuvering at 6Gs and Mach 0.8, noting the missile's specifications such as weight and maximum speed.
  • Another participant emphasizes the variability of the "effective range," suggesting it depends on numerous factors, including the missile's guidance logic, which may not be publicly available.
  • A participant expresses interest in the physics of missile trajectories and seeks a calculator to measure changes in speed during ascent and descent, indicating a focus on the projectile's motion rather than the missile's propulsion system.
  • Discussion includes the impact of solid rocket motor thrust profiles and air drag on missile performance, with a suggestion to research concepts like "velocity to be gained" and "curve of pursuit."
  • One participant proposes focusing on the trajectory after burnout, discussing how air resistance affects speed and the calculation of horizontal and vertical velocities using trigonometric principles.
  • Concerns are raised about the missile's maneuverability at various speeds, particularly in relation to the G-forces it can sustain compared to those of an evading aircraft.
  • A question is posed about calculating the range at which a missile could be outrun by an aircraft moving in a straight line, indicating a need for further exploration of trajectory calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the factors affecting missile performance and trajectory, with no consensus reached on specific calculations or the effective range against maneuvering targets. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise impact of different variables on missile effectiveness.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific assumptions about missile guidance, air resistance, and the lack of consensus on the effective range due to the complexity of the factors involved.

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Hey I am trying to tweak a Fighter jet game to make it more realistic. I am trying to the US Air Force AIM-120D AMRAAM missile like what it can do in real life.

The question is what is the effective range of the missile against a maneuvering target or evading target, for a fighter let say 6Gs at a typical subsonic speed of Mach 0.8.

The AIM-120 weighs around 330 lbs and can go a range of 180 km at a max trajectory and pull around 30 Gs max probably at its burnout phase around 10km. Its average speed is around Mach 5 at that burnout phase. Also if the launcher jet is moving at Mach 2, how will that effect the missile?
 
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The question is what is the effective range of the missile against a maneuvering target or evading target, for a fighter let say 6Gs at a typical subsonic speed of Mach 0.8.
The point of simulation games is to simulate such aspects, because there is no general answer for the "effective range". It depends on too many factors, including the guidance logic of the missile, which is probably secret anyway.
 
Yeah I just want to the the physics of the missile, not the top secret stuff.

I looked at this calculator.
http://www.mrmont.com/teachers/physicsteachershelper-proj.html

Is there a calculator to measure the change of speed of an object while in its trajectory. For example if you throw a certain weight at a certain speed at a certain angle, how will the speed change at its acscent, ymax and land?

A missile's max G is probably not at its max speed(end of boost phase) but when its in a middle ground between speeds since you can't have too much speed for maneuver.
 
How realistic do you want to get? Solid rocket motors can have different thrust profiles by varying the shape of the burning surface of the fuel. What about air drag? Acceleration ("Gs") depends on those and also on whatever maneuvering is done. Guidance is complicated, especially if you're trying to hit a moving target that doesn't want to be hit. If you Google "velocity to be gained" and "curve of pursuit" you might come up with something.
 
I am ignoring the motor. Air Air missiles loose their fuel once they are burned out and they are moving at their max speeds and descanting. Burnout usually happens at 9 secs and at Mach 4 at high altiutdes(15-20 km) So I want to focus on the trajectory there.

Air resistance matters a lot. However, it is in coronation of the mach 4 speed after burnout. If at a lower altitude the speed degreases due to drag.

I want to focus on loss of speed first. The speed of the projectile is the hypotenuse of vertical and horizontal velocity correct?

So if the projectile is launched Mach 4 at a certain degree I find the horizontal and vertical velocity by using SOHCAHTOA, then minus the 9.6 m/s to the horizonal velocity until I get to zero(highest point of the trajectoy) while finding the speed that each point. Then do the same thing to find the speed of projectile on descent.

Aircraft usually pull around 6 Gs for a sustained turn. Since my AMRAAM is 30 G it should be the maneuverable at the point where it is around Mach 3. If it goes to Mach 2 it will probably be around 20 Gs total. And after that the missile will be very capable of being outmanuvered from a "yo-yo manuver" or S move..

But what about planes moving in a straight line away from you? Let's say the airplane moves at Mach 1.2 average in the evasion run. Is there a way to calculate the range before the missile could be outrun?How do you calculate the speed a various points of trajectories in the chart above?
 
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