Mechanics: Dynamics (Newton's 2nd law)

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The problem involves a system consisting of a sphere and a block connected by a rigid rod, focusing on dynamics as described by Newton's 2nd law. The scenario is set in a horizontal slot, and the task is to determine the tension in the rod and the accelerations of both blocks at the moment the system is released from rest.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss whether to apply Newton's 2nd law or conservation of energy to solve the problem. Questions arise about relating energy to tension and accelerations, as well as the implications of the system being at rest at the moment of release.

Discussion Status

Some participants suggest using Newton's 2nd law, while others express confusion regarding the implications of the initial conditions on acceleration. There is an exploration of the relationship between velocity and acceleration, particularly in the context of the system's dynamics at the instant of release.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem specifies the instant the system is released from rest, raising questions about the assumptions regarding velocity and acceleration at that moment. There is also mention of potential complexities involving relative accelerations and the dynamics of the sphere's motion.

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Homework Statement


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A sphere S with a mass of 5 kg is attached by a rigid rod to 1 kg block B which is free to slide with no friction in a horizontal slot. The system is released from rest. At the instant when it is released, find the tension in the rod and the accelerations of both blocks.

Homework Equations



Sum of the forces in x = ma
Sum of the forces in y = ma

The Attempt at a Solution



I am not exactly sure how to tackle this problem. Would I need to solve this using Newton's 2nd law? Or would this question require conservation of energy? Thanks.
 
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Well if you were to use conservation of energy, how would you relate the energy to the tension in the rod and the accelerations of the blocks?
 
fantispug said:
Well if you were to use conservation of energy, how would you relate the energy to the tension in the rod and the accelerations of the blocks?

That's true, I have another question then. Since the problem is asking "the instant it is released from rest" can you assume the velocity is 0 at that instant? Therefore the component of normal acceleration is 0?
 
Yeah, the velocity must be 0 at that instant (since it's at rest). But that can't possibly tell you anything about the acceleration at that instant; it's only if you knew the velocity at different times that you can use the velocity to find the acceleration.
(Consider the example of a pendulum; at the apex of the pendulum's swing the velocity of the pendulum is instantaneously zero, but it must be accelerating because the velocity increases a moment later as it starts swinging again).

You're going to have to crank out Newton's 2nd law I'm afraid.
 
fantispug said:
Yeah, the velocity must be 0 at that instant (since it's at rest). But that can't possibly tell you anything about the acceleration at that instant; it's only if you knew the velocity at different times that you can use the velocity to find the acceleration.
(Consider the example of a pendulum; at the apex of the pendulum's swing the velocity of the pendulum is instantaneously zero, but it must be accelerating because the velocity increases a moment later as it starts swinging again).

You're going to have to crank out Newton's 2nd law I'm afraid.

I understand that I need to use Newton's 2nd law, but I am confused on the swinging of the pendulum. Plus it looks like I would need to take relative accelerations into account. Since the swinging of the sphere is moving with the block.
 
you don't need to worry about the pendulum effect, or relative accelerations, since it asks for the accelerations at the instant it is released. You know the normal acceleration of the sphere is 0, since V=0 at the instant it is released. Solve for tangential acceleration, and tensions, the acceleration of block b
 

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