Mechanics of Materials & Principal of superposition

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics of materials problem involving a steel tube subjected to forces and the reactions exerted by a vice. Participants explore the conventions used for determining the direction of reaction forces and the implications of these conventions on the solution of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the convention used by their professor regarding the direction of reaction forces, suggesting that the professor's treatment of forces as radially outward (in tension) contradicts standard conventions.
  • Another participant explains that in statics, the direction of arrows for forces can be chosen arbitrarily, and that a negative result indicates a compressive force, which aligns with the professor's approach.
  • A participant highlights that the problem is statically indeterminate and emphasizes the importance of considering the reduction in length due to applied forces, using the formula for deformation.
  • Discussion includes the notion that conventions for tensile and compressive forces differ in mechanics, with tensile forces considered positive and compressive forces negative, regardless of their direction in a global coordinate system.
  • One participant clarifies that drawing forces in any direction is acceptable, and the resulting signs will indicate the actual nature of the forces once calculations are completed.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant recognized a mistake in their application of conventions after discussing it with their professor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conventions for determining the direction of forces and the implications for solving the problem. There is no consensus on the best approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the application of these conventions in this specific context.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of applying conventions in mechanics of materials, particularly in statically indeterminate problems. Participants note the potential for confusion when applying different conventions and the importance of understanding the implications of their choices.

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Homework Statement



A steel tube with a 32mm outer diameter and a 4mm thickness is placed in a vice and is adjusted so that the jaws tough the ends of the tube without exerting any pressure on them. The two forces shown are then applied to the tube. After these forces are applied, the vice is adjusted to decrease the distance between the jaws by 0.2mm. Determine the forces exerted by the vice on the tube at A and D.

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Ok I did the question and got the answer after the professor solved it in class. However what I do not understand is why does he take the reaction forces as radially outward (in tension) and when he did the solution, he treated left as positive and right as negative.

This seems to go against convention. Even the solution manual has the same technique as he does. His explanation was that [tex]R_a[/tex] was in tension. Clearly from convention its in compression and so is [tex]R_d[/tex]. Their answer also 'miraculously' show that it is in compression.

Anyone can clarify this please?
 
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In statics, you can draw any arrow in any direction. (If it's the "wrong" direction to produce a positive answer, you'll get a negative answer, of course.) The key is to sum the forces correctly. Here we'd want [itex]-R_A-42+30+R_D=0[/itex] or [itex]R_A+42-30-R_D=0[/itex].

He may have been saying that [itex]R_A[/itex] corresponds to a hypothetical tensile force, which it does. In the end, [itex]R_A[/itex] will turn out to be a negative number, indicating that the force was a positive compressive force all along. Does this answer your question?
 
Hmm, well that's only half of the answer. What I failed to mention was that when I used the right as positive and left as negative convention I got a rubbish answer. The work here isn't exactly statics, its mechanics of materials. This problem as you should see is statically indeterminate.

The way the problem is solved is by considering reduction in length [tex]\delta[/tex] created by the forces. Where [tex]\delta = \frac{FL}{AE}[/tex] (Where F is the force(s) in question, L is the length of the tube, A is its cross sectional area and [tex]E=\sigma \epsilon[/tex]). We find the [tex]\delta[/tex] for each section (AB BC CD) and realize that total [tex]\delta_T= \delta_{AB} \delta_{BC} \delta_{CD} = 0[/tex]

I.e. [tex]\Sigma_A^D \frac{FL}{AE}[/tex]

When I used the regular convention For F (right as positive and left as negative) my answer came out totally wrong.
 
In mechanics the convention is different; a tensile force is positive and a compressive force is negative, regardless of the direction the force points in the global coordinate system. (These signs correspond to arrows pointing out of the beam.) Nevertheless, there should be no problem in assuming an unknown force to be tensile or compressive; the answer will reveal whether the guess is right. It takes some getting used to.
 
djeitnstine: As Mapes mentioned, you can establish any free-body diagram (global) coordinate system you wish. Then you can draw any particular unknown vector in any direction you wish (the positive or negative direction). If you draw an unknown vector in the negative direction, and its magnitude turns out positive, then the force is in the global negative direction. After you obtain a force result from this free-body diagram, you then transform the force to the element local coordinate system for each element. A universal convention for the element coordinate system is, tension positive, compression negative. You therefore finally see, from the element local, not global, coordinate system perspective, what force or stress is actually on the material.
 
Ok thanks, I also discussed it with my professor and found out that made a mistake when I worked the problem out using convention.
 

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