Mechanics question with parachute

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving a parachutist who falls freely until opening a parachute, which introduces an upward resistance proportional to his speed. The original poster attempts to derive the total distance fallen when the parachutist's velocity reaches a specific value, while also exploring the implications of various equations of motion and forces acting on the parachutist.

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  • Participants discuss the equations of motion relevant to the problem, including the relationships between acceleration, velocity, and distance. There are attempts to integrate the forces acting on the parachutist and to derive expressions for distance fallen. Some participants question the dimensional consistency of the parameters involved, particularly the constant k.

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There is an ongoing examination of the mathematical steps taken by the original poster, with some participants pointing out potential errors in the integration process and questioning the dimensions of the constant k. The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections without reaching a consensus on the solution.

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Participants note that the problem involves specific assumptions about the forces acting on the parachutist and the nature of the resistance. There is a focus on ensuring that the dimensions of the constants and variables are consistent throughout the derivation.

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1. A parachutist of mass m falls freely until his parachute opens. When it is open he experiences an upward resistance kv where v is his speed and k is a positive constant.

The parachutist falls from rest freely under gravity for a time [itex]\frac{m}{2k}[/itex] and then opens his parachute. Prove that the total distance he has fallen when his velocity is [itex]\frac{3mg}{4k}[/itex] is [itex]\frac{m^2 g}{8 k^2} (8 \ln2 - 1)[/itex]

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[tex]a = v \frac{dv}{ds}[/tex]

[tex]v^2 = u^2 + 2 a s[/tex]

[tex]v = u + a t[/tex]

3. Until parachute is opened:

[tex]t = \frac{m}{2k}[/tex]

[tex]a = g[/tex]

[tex]u = 0[/tex][tex]v = u + a t[/tex]

[tex]v = \frac{mg}{2k}[/tex][tex]v^2 = u^2 + 2 a s[/tex]

[tex]\frac{m^2 g^2}{4 k^2} = 2 g s[/tex]

[tex]\frac{m^2 g}{8 k^2} = s[/tex]

When parachute is opened:

Force downwards [itex]ma = mg - kv[/itex]

[tex]m v \frac{dv}{ds} = mg - kv[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{mv}{mg - kv} dv = \int ds[/tex]Substitution: [tex]u = mg - kv[/tex]

[tex]\frac{du}{dv} = -k[/tex]

[tex]v = \frac{u - mg}{-k}[/tex][tex]\int \frac{mv}{-k (mg - kv)} du = \int ds[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{m(u - mg)}{u} du = \int ds[/tex]

[tex]\int m - \frac{m^2 g}{u} du = \int ds[/tex]

[tex]mu - m^2 g \ln u = \int ds[/tex]

[tex]m (mg - kv) - m^2 g \ln (mg - kv) = s + c[/tex] where c is a constant

To work out constant:

[tex]v = \frac{mg}{2k}[/tex]

[tex]s = \frac{m^2 g}{8 k^2}[/tex][tex]m^2 g - mk \frac{mg}{2k} - m^2 g \ln ( mg - \frac{kmg}{2k} ) = \frac{m^2 g}{8 k^2} + c[/tex]

[tex]\frac{m^2 g}{2} - m^2 g \ln ( \frac{mg}{2} ) - \frac{m^2 g}{8 k^2} = c[/tex]

Putting c back into equation:

[tex]m^2 g - mkv - m^2 g \ln ( mg - kv ) - \frac{m^2 g}{2} + m^2 g \ln ( \frac{mg}{2} ) + \frac{m^2 g}{8 k^2} = s[/tex]

Putting in value of v:

[tex]- \frac{m^2 g}{4} + m^2 g \ln 2 + \frac{m^2 g}{8 k^2} = s[/tex]

[tex]\frac{m^2 g}{8} ( 8 \ln 2 - 2 + \frac{1}{k^2} ) = s[/tex]So i have wrong answer where have i gone wrong?
 
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Sink41 said:
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When parachute is opened:

Force downwards [itex]ma = mg - kv[/itex]

[tex]m v \frac{dv}{ds} = mg - kv[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{mv}{mg - kv} dv = \int ds[/tex]


Substitution: [tex]u = mg - kv[/tex]

[tex]\frac{du}{dv} = -k[/tex]

[tex]v = \frac{u - mg}{-k}[/tex]


[tex]\int \frac{mv}{-k (mg - kv)} du = \int ds[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{m(u - mg)}{k^2u} du = \int ds[/tex]



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Your error is shown above in the last line. You canceled the (-k) on the bottom instead of getting (-k)² (on the bottom)
 
u have given time is m/2k and k is a constant(dimensionless)...so how come time have dimensions "kg" (m->kg)...so check ur qstn..
 
k is a constant but it cerainly isn't dimensionless.

We are told: Restance = kv
and [R] = N

Since k = R/v, then

[k] = [N/(m/s)]=[Ns/m] - the dimensions of k.

Then [m/2k] = [kg/(Ns/m)] = [kgm/Ns] = - the dimension of time.
 

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