Mechanics - stress on rod of differing thickness and change in length

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of stress and strain in a rod of varying thickness, specifically focusing on determining where the greatest stresses occur and calculating the overall change in length. The context includes theoretical and homework-related aspects of mechanics.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for stress in different sections of the rod, noting that the top section has the greatest stress of 7.64 MPa based on a force of 15 kN.
  • Another participant questions the assumptions made regarding the constraints on the rod and emphasizes the importance of accurately representing units and calculations.
  • A different participant suggests that a free body diagram is necessary to correctly calculate axial stress, indicating that applied loads cannot simply be summed along the rod's length.
  • There are corrections regarding unit notation and formatting, with emphasis on proper spacing and capitalization in scientific notation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the calculation of stress and strain, particularly regarding the inclusion of all forces and the necessity of a free body diagram. There is no consensus on the correct method for calculating stress in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity in the assumptions made about the rod's constraints and the importance of proper unit representation. Some mathematical steps and definitions remain unresolved, contributing to the ongoing debate.

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Homework Statement



Determine
a)where the greatest stresses are
b) overall change in length

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That is meant to be a hollow cylinder on the bottom section inbetween the dotted lines

E = 200 GPa

Homework Equations



σ = Fn / A

ε = dl / lo = σ / E

The Attempt at a Solution



The book gives the answer as the top of the rod having the greatest stress = 7.64 MPa

So working back from that answer the force on the top of the rod = 15 kN

I assumed this was because -20+10-5 = -15 kN, but when I used -15 kN for the rest of the sections the stress was much higher due to the smaller area.

ie. 15e3/[(pi 25 mm^2)] = 7.64 MPa (top section)

15e3/[(pi 20 mm^2)] = 11.94 MPa (middle section)

15e3/ [(pi 10mm^2)] = 47.75 MPa (bottom section)

So my problem is that I don't know whether to include all the forces when calculating strain for each section or not..Thanks
 
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mh1985: You did not show constraints on the rod yet. Therefore, we do not know where nor how the rod is attached to the outside world. By the way, regarding units, please see the following. You can edit your post by hitting the Edit button.

  1. Always leave a space between a numeric value and its following unit symbol. E.g., 10 kN, not 10kN. See the international standard for writing units[/color] (ISO 31-0[/color]).

  2. The unit symbol for kiloNewton is spelled kN, not KN. K means kelvin; k means kilo. Always use correct capitalization of units. See NIST[/color] for the correct spelling of any unit symbol.

  3. MN/m^2 is called MPa. Always use the correct, special name for a unit. E.g., 7.64 MPa, not 7.64 MN/m^2. See the above links in item 1.

  4. Parentheses must be used to show grouping for division. E.g., 15e3/[pi*(625 mm^2)], not 15e3/pi 625 mm.
 
nvn said:
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thanks for pointing that out, I've made the changes now
 
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In order to calculate the proper axial stress, you must draw a free body diagram for the section of the rod where you want to calculate stress. You cannot add up all of the applied loads and say that the sum of the loads acts anywhere along the length of the rod.
 
mh1985 said:
thanks for pointing that out; I've made the changes now.
mh1985: The unit symbol for megapascal is spelled MPa, not Mpa. And you still need a space in 200 GPa.

Also, the forum software currently has a bug and is erroneously changing some characters if you quote my text. Therefore, could you delete your quotation, in post 3, of my post, because it erroneously changed some spaces to asterisk, and could confuse others on how to write units correctly. Or else change the seven extraneous asterisks to spaces. There should be only one asterisk in my post, not eight asterisks. Thanks.
 

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