Merry go round angular velocity problem asap help needed

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a merry-go-round and the calculation of angular velocity after a child jumps onto it. The problem includes aspects of linear and angular momentum, conservation laws, and the moment of inertia, with a focus on qualitative sketches and calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the scenario of a 30kg child on a stationary merry-go-round and a 40kg child jumping onto it, seeking help with the qualitative aspects of linear and angular momentum.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the problem is not about energy conservation but rather about the conservation of angular momentum, suggesting that the angular momentum of the 40kg child should be computed before they grab onto the merry-go-round.
  • Some participants propose that to find the angular momentum, one should consider the effective arm distance from the line of motion to the fulcrum, indicating a method to calculate initial angular momentum.
  • There is a discussion about the moment of inertia of the merry-go-round, with one participant noting that it is massless, raising questions about how to calculate its moment of inertia in this context.

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Participants express differing views on the approach to solving the problem, particularly regarding the treatment of energy conservation and the calculation of angular momentum. There is no consensus on the correct method to find the angular velocity, and uncertainty remains about the moment of inertia of the merry-go-round.

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Participants have not resolved the implications of the merry-go-round being massless on its moment of inertia, nor have they clarified the necessary assumptions for calculating angular momentum and angular velocity in this scenario.

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A merry-go-round consists of a flat circular disk mounted on a bearing at the center allowing it to freely rotate. Consider a mass-less merry-go-round with a 4 meter diameter.
Initially a 30kg child sits at the east edge of the stationary merry-go-round. A second child with a mass of 40kg runs north at a speed of 10km/hour, jumps and lands on the west edge of the merry-go-round making it turn.
a) Make a sketch of problem during the jump when the 40kg child is in the air traveling at 10km/h north indicating the linear momentum vector (qualitatively only)
b) Make a sketch of the merry-go-round after it is turning indicating the angular momentum vector (qualitatively only)

c)Find the magnitude of the angular velocity vector of the turning merry-go-round.


I don;t expect anyone to sketch the first a and b problems
but it would help of you can tell me what what the linear momentum vector looks like.
i don't really understand the whole qualitatively part.

for c
i tried but i think i failed.

i used KE=p/2m
i got KE= 1.35 J

then used KE=IW^2/2
I=mr^2
so 1.35=((70)(2)^2)(W)/2
so W(angular velocity)= 0.00964rad/s

but I am pretty sure i am soo wrong because its asking for magnitude of the angular velocity. which is far from my thoughts.
 
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This is not an energy-conservation problem. Energy is going to be lost. However, there are no sources of external torque in this problem, so angular momentum will be conserved.

Simply compute angular momentum of the 40kg child about merry-go-round's center right before said child grabs on. Then figure out what the angular velocity of both children together will be with that much angular momentum.

For the sketch problems, in this case, qualitatively just means they want you to show the directions of vectors. Not magnitudes.
 
K^2 said:
This is not an energy-conservation problem. Energy is going to be lost. However, there are no sources of external torque in this problem, so angular momentum will be conserved.

Simply compute angular momentum of the 40kg child about merry-go-round's center right before said child grabs on. Then figure out what the angular velocity of both children together will be with that much angular momentum.

For the sketch problems, in this case, qualitatively just means they want you to show the directions of vectors. Not magnitudes.

so i should get the angular momentum of both the children separately and then add them together. but i don't know how i would go about doing that. with only the information given.
 
If you draw a straight line along with a body is moving, the distance of fulcrum from that line is the effective arm. To get angular momentum, you take linear momentum and multiply it by that arm. This is easiest way to find initial angular momentum.

Alternatively, angular momentum is given by moment of inertia times angular velocity. You can use this definition to obtain angular velocity from angular momentum.
 
K^2 said:
If you draw a straight line along with a body is moving, the distance of fulcrum from that line is the effective arm. To get angular momentum, you take linear momentum and multiply it by that arm. This is easiest way to find initial angular momentum.

Alternatively, angular momentum is given by moment of inertia times angular velocity. You can use this definition to obtain angular velocity from angular momentum.

so i should get the moment of inertia of the merry go round add it to the inertia of the two people and then divide the angular momentum by the inertia to get the magnitude of the angular velocity. okay.
 
helpneed said:
so i should get the moment of inertia of the merry go round add it to the inertia of the two people and then divide the angular momentum by the inertia to get the magnitude of the angular velocity. okay.

The merry-go-round is massless. So what is its moment of inertia?
 

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