Method to find the centre of a conic section from its equation

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The discussion revolves around methods to find the center of a conic section from its equation, specifically focusing on the differentiation approach and the underlying theory. Participants explore the mathematical principles and coordinate transformations involved in this process.

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  • One participant describes a method involving differentiation of the conic section's equation with respect to x and y to find the center, but seeks clarification on the theoretical basis for this approach.
  • Another participant explains that any conic can be expressed in a specific form that reveals its center, suggesting that transformations can convert any coordinate system into one aligned with the conic's axes of symmetry.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the implications of transformations, specifically questioning whether differentiation alters the coordinate system.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the concepts of rotations and translations in relation to coordinate systems and their effects on equations.
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While some participants express understanding of the differentiation method and coordinate transformations, there remains uncertainty and confusion about the implications of these concepts, indicating that the discussion is not fully resolved.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity on the relationship between differentiation and coordinate systems, as well as the transformations involved in expressing conic sections in standard forms.

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In the second degree equation of a conic section (ellipse/hyperbola), I have seen many books following this method to find out the centre of the conic section-

1) Differentiate the equation w.r.t x treating y as constant
2) Differentiate the equation w.r.t y treating x as constant.
3) Solve the above two equations to find out the centre of the curve

I searched many books but did not find the theory behind it.
Can anyone explain me?
 
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Any conic section can be written in the form f(x, y)= A(x- x_0)^2+ B(y- y_0)^2= C for some number A and B, in some coordinate system (with coordinate axes parallel to the axes of symmetry of the conic section), and (x_0, y_0) as center in that coordinate system.

In this case, f_x= 2A(x- x_0)= 0 and f_y= 2B(y- y_0)= 0 so that x= x_0 and y= y_0. For the general equation you need that any coordinate system can be transformed into this coordinate system by rotations and translations which transform linear equations into linear equations.
 
HallsofIvy said:
which transform linear equations into linear equations.

I did not get this.
One more thing, by the process of differentiation, are we changing the co-ordinate system?
 
Abdul Quadeer said:
I did not get this.
Do you understand what I mean by "rotations" and "translations"? What happens, say, to the line y= mx if you translate it by adding a to x and adding b to y? What happens if you rotate around the origin by an angle \theta.

One more thing, by the process of differentiation, are we changing the co-ordinate system?
Of course not. In order to be able to differentiate with respect to "x" and "y", we must have variables "x" and "y" which means a specific coordinate system.
 
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