Methods for Estimating Integrals without Calculators

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The discussion revolves around estimating the integral of the function 1/ln(x) between the limits of 2 and 4. Participants are exploring various methods of approximation, particularly in the context of their current learning about numerical integration techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster questions the necessity of integrating the function before applying numerical methods such as the midpoint, trapezoidal, and Simpson's rule. They seek clarification on whether these methods can be used without a calculator. Other participants suggest approximating the integral by evaluating derivatives and using Taylor series, while also noting the challenges of finding an antiderivative for the function.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different estimation methods and questioning the assumptions behind the use of numerical integration techniques. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of specific rules without needing to find an antiderivative, but there is no consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of estimating integrals without calculators and the implications of their current curriculum on the methods they are discussing. There is an acknowledgment that understanding Taylor series may be necessary for some proposed methods.

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Homework Statement



estimate int 1/ln x between 2 and 4


well i thought that for this to work you would have to integrate first and then find f(4) - f(2)

but how come right now we are learning about using the midpoint, left, right, trap and simpson rule.

but instead of integrating it first they are just using the equation without integrating first??

also for int 1/ln x between 2 and 4 using one of the estimating methods(ex. right) is there any way to do this problem without a calculator??
 
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Well, good luck on finding an antiderivative for 1/(ln x)!

Otherwise, you're going to be stuck with calculating an estimate for the integral, rather than an exact value.

You'll need a calculator to do your estimate.
 
You can approximate it by hand.

1. Find the the first, second, and possibly third derivatives.
2. Evaluate at x = 2. Call them a = f ''(2), b = f '(2), c = f (2)
3. Then call 1/ln(x) = c + b(x-2) + a(x-2)^2.

Then integrate the result from step 3, and that will be a good approximation.
 
csprof2000 said:
You can approximate it by hand.

1. Find the the first, second, and possibly third derivatives.
2. Evaluate at x = 2. Call them a = f ''(2), b = f '(2), c = f (2)
3. Then call 1/ln(x) = c + b(x-2) + a(x-2)^2.

Then integrate the result from step 3, and that will be a good approximation.

Sure, you don't need a calculator for that estimate, but if the OP doesn't know about Taylor series, this will be pure magic.
 
intenzxboi said:

Homework Statement



estimate int 1/ln x between 2 and 4well i thought that for this to work you would have to integrate first and then find f(4) - f(2)

but how come right now we are learning about using the midpoint, left, right, trap and simpson rule.

but instead of integrating it first they are just using the equation without integrating first??

also for int 1/ln x between 2 and 4 using one of the estimating methods(ex. right) is there any way to do this problem without a calculator??

Since you mentioned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson_rule" this may be the way you are supposed to do it. Note that the formula does not involve taking the antiderivative of 1/ln x, you only need the values of that function at 2,3,4.
 
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