Minimum number of relays per h-bridge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of constructing an H-bridge using different types of relays, specifically focusing on the use of 2 SPDT relays and 1 DPDT relay. Participants explore various configurations and their implications for motor operation, including bi-directional control.

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Main Points Raised

  • Ramone questions the possibility of forming an H-bridge with 2 SPDT relays, noting that common configurations typically involve 4 SPST relays.
  • Another participant suggests that it might be possible to construct an H-bridge using 1 DPDT relay.
  • Bob S confirms that using 1 DPDT relay is feasible, emphasizing the choice between "make before break" (Form D) and "break before make" (Form C) contacts.
  • Bob S also mentions that while testing a DPDT relay configuration, the motor did not operate bi-directionally as intended, raising concerns about the operational characteristics of certain motors.
  • A later reply references a previous thread that discusses connecting the coils of relays in parallel or series to achieve the desired functionality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the configurations that can successfully form an H-bridge, with no consensus reached on the optimal relay setup or the operational reliability of the proposed configurations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note specific conditions under which certain motors may not operate bi-directionally, highlighting the importance of motor type and relay configuration in achieving desired outcomes.

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Hi experts,
:cool:
Is it possible to form a h-bridge using 2 spdt relays?
What i can find on the net are h-bridges using 4 spst relays or using other types of relays.

sincerely
Ramone
 
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What do you think? Would it be possible to construct and H bridge with 1 DPDT relay?
 
Yes. You need to choose between "make before break" (Form D) or "break before make" (Form C) contacts.

Bob S
 
skeptic2 said:
What do you think? Would it be possible to construct and H bridge with 1 DPDT relay?

i think it is possible and connected one to test but the motor did not operate bi-directionally according to plan. That is why i wanted to confirm this.
 
Bob S said:
Yes. You need to choose between "make before break" (Form D) or "break before make" (Form C) contacts.

Bob S

Thanks Bob S!o:)
 
ramonegumpert said:
i think it is possible and connected one to test but the motor did not operate bi-directionally according to plan. That is why i wanted to confirm this.
On certain motors, like fractional HP induction motors (capacitor start, split phase, repulsion start), there is a starting coil and a running coil. If you try to reverse the motor at full speed, it won't. It has to slow down until the centrifugal switch engages, and preferably until it stops before you reverse it.

Bob S
 
ramonegumpert said:
Hi experts,
:cool:
Is it possible to form a h-bridge using 2 spdt relays?
What i can find on the net are h-bridges using 4 spst relays or using other types of relays.

sincerely
Ramone

Yes, see the last entry in this thread:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=381478

You would just connect the two coils of the relays in parallel or in series and switch them at the same time.
 

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