Mixing three water quantities at different temperatures

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the problem of mixing three quantities of water at different temperatures for a beer brewing process. Participants are exploring the equations needed to calculate the proportions of water at different temperatures to achieve a desired final temperature and volume.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help to determine how much water at 8 C is needed to mix with water at 20 C and 100 C to achieve a final volume of 23 liters at 24 C.
  • Another participant suggests solving two simultaneous equations to find the solution, proposing equations based on the conservation of mass and energy.
  • A participant questions the formulation of the equations, specifically why the sum of the two unknowns is 19 instead of 18, and expresses confusion over the derivation of the second equation.
  • One participant predicts that the desired mixing may not be achievable due to the temperature of the cold water not being low enough.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding in the calculations, indicating that assumptions may have interfered with the initial approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the formulation of the equations and the feasibility of achieving the desired final temperature. There is no consensus on the correct approach or the validity of the proposed equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding specific heat capacities and the implications of mixing different types of liquids, which may affect the final temperature calculations.

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I am trying to figure out the following in my beer brewing. I have been able to find equations for mixing two quantities of water, but not three. Can anyone help me out here?

So, I have 5 liters at 100 C and I want to add 18 liters (x at 20 C and y at 8 C) to arrive at 23 liters at 24 C. This is because most of the remaining 18 liters is at room temperature (20 C), and I want to find out how much water chilled in the fridge (8 C) will bring me to the desired 23 liters at 24 C?

many thanks
 
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Solve the two simultaneous equations the answer is in litres. This assumes that all the liquid is water but I guess that the hot liquid is wort which probably has a higher specific heat capacity then pure water in which case the final mixture will be hotter then intended, these should get you fairly close though.

X+Y=19

293X+281Y=4966
 
Thanks Jobrag, but I need some clarification. Why is X + Y = 19 and not 18? And how did you get the second equation. When I put X = 19 - Y into the second equation (which I assume you meant this when you said to calculate both equations simultaneously) I ended up with X=50.08.

cheers
 
beer_brewer said:
I have been able to find equations for mixing two quantities of water...

OK - you want to mix 5 liters at 100C with 18 liters, to get 23 liters at 24C. What must be the mixed temperature of those 18 liters?

Once you get that figured out, you should be able to figure out how to make up the 18 liters. But I will give you a hint, or rather a prediction: you aren't going to be able to do what you want (your cold water isn't cold enough).
 
Ah ha. That explains the 50 liters. Thank you. I was letting my assumptions get in the way of the calculation.
 

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